Re: Breast Cancer - Alternative therapy-Mexico update

On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:35:47 -0700 (PDT), Citizen Jimserac
<Jimserac@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Apr 7, 10:08 am, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


No, I'm an engineer whose work ends up controlling
things like auto systems (among many other things).

An engineer!! Excellent profession.

I find it very curious that you are willing to take
greater chances with human lives than my customers
are with their audio systems.

I find it very curious that you regard people
as a collection of mechanical parts or electromechanical
subsystems. The excision
of cancer in one part of the body does
not necessarily imply that the disease has
been cured or the cancer wholly eliminated.

Yes indeed, *not necessarily*. That's why there are things called
treatment plans/ protocols, where a whole number of things are done.
Radiation to shrink a tumor to make it operable, surgery the remove
the bulk, chemo to clean up, additional hormone therapy etc. Unlike
people who believe in alt-med, real doctors know there is no *one
cure* for cancer. There isn't even one cancer.

Certain alternative medicine modalities attempt
to take a more unified view of a person as
more than a collection of parts some of which
may be diseased - among them Homeopathy,
Acupuncture, Chinese Herbology, Chiropractic Medicine
and many others.

The fact they don't work but the other view does should tell you
something about who is right and who is wrong.
BTW, you're idea that science views humans as only a collection of
parts is wrong, but I'm going along here for the sake of argument.

the physicians of the 18th century didn't keep
track of differential outcomes, and the current set
do. You might note the results there.

The physicians of the 18th century did not have
to keep track of differential outcomes - most of
the patients died.

Of course not -- that would have been too obvious.
Most of the time their patients lived and recovered,
perhaps despite their physicians, but they recovered
none the less. As always, "confirmation bias" taught
the physicians that those who recovered did so thanks
to the treatment and those who didn't were in spite of
the treatment.

Ah! Just as in Homeopathy?


Until you systematically test your ideas in a way that
defeats self-deception, that's going to be how it works.

However, nothing is perfect. Just as with brake systems,
when lives are at stake a "belt and braces" approach is
prudent.

People are not brake systems. The analogy fails.

Your understanding of analogies is what fails.

The time has come to accept the search for better
ways. HINT: I would not expect too much from the "cancer research"
industry, they seem to be looking for solutions in about the same
manner as Bush is pursuing the hunt for Bin Laden.

And you know what they're doing ... how?

I'm so glad you asked!

"The Secret History of the War on Cancer" by Devra Davis.
(Devra Davis, Ph.D., M.P.H., is the Director of the Center for
Environmental Oncology at the University of Pittsburgh Cancer
Institute and Professor of Epidemiology, Graduate School of Public
Health.)

"The War on Cancer was run by leaders of industries that made cancer-
causing products, and sometimes also profited from drugs and
technologies for finding and treating the disease. Filled with
compelling personalities and never-before-revealed information, The
Secret History of the War on Cancer shows how we began fighting the
wrong war, with the wrong weapons, against the wrong enemies--a legacy
that persists to this day." (from Editorial Review
of the book at Amazon:

So you have one source promoting a book with a sensationalist
theme, and that's all the information you need.

Pardon me for not accepting her as the Ultimate Authority.
(Not least because I personally know cancer researchers,
what they're working on, and their sources of funding.)

You are pardoned.

Citizen Jimserac

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