Re: Would it be possible to get out of Grade School?


"Mark Probert" <mark.probert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:44d1c2bd-76eb-4285-8f86-07cd6f826d6b@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Mar 29, 8:14 pm, Bee <Butterflies2...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 29, 4:53 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> >> --
> >BeeWhy give people the extra publicity?

> I don't know. Why not ask Ilena, she's the one with the *** list
> pages on the web site of what is supposed to be a patient support
> group.

Why not agree to disagree and remove all the stupid stuff?

Simple. There is no reciprocity. None. AFor peace to reign, it must be
two sided.

I think you will find when we get this place cleaned up and quit
talking like we
were all born in a barn, and treat each other with a little respect,
that we all will be
able to effectively communicate without the insults in order to get
our opinions voiced.

I wish. I have learned that there are those here who never will agree
to peace. I have offered peace several times. The last time being
unconditional and unilateral.

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Kw9pg.127$Z72.81@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sue me for posting facts wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
Sue me for posting facts wrote:
http://samvak.tripod.com/torturepsychology.html


Psychology of Torture


Excerpt--


Why Do People Torture?


We should distinguish functional torture from the sadistic variety. The

former is calculated to extract information from the tortured
Information secured by torture is highly unreliable.

BTW, your subject line:

Re: Why do ASAD's polymorphous parade of perverted pharmaceutical
marketeers, convicted child molesters, porn king, disbarred lawyer, S
& M afficionado, and their mentally ill supporters and apologists
publicly TORTURE innocent people in global forums?

is torturing logic and reality.

Get help.

My physicians don't discern there exists any necesitity for me to get
"help".

time to change


Btw, have you ever discussed your pathological fixation with Jan and
Ilena with your physicians?

When I ignore them they follow me. Ilena even wrote email to my wife and
Jan is her enabler.

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/eac0698e78a0163c
March 21: 9:16 am 2006

.. If you, and Jan, want to dredge up ancient
history, feel free. I do not play that game anymore.

If you continue to post with the same attitude, I will correctly
assume that you, too, in addition to Jan, want the war to continue.
I do not.

I have offered them peace, but they refuse. I will not merely turn the
other cute cheek.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/5dc634d66f8e40a1

Mon, Jun 13 2005 1:14 pm

I will not engage in your battle with IIena. You claims are ridiculous abut
my enabling. The battle is so long and detailed, I did NOT even try to
follow what happend. I am assuming the events of writing to wives, happened
on a.s.b.i.? I wasn't there at the time. Very few posts between you and she
did I try to follow here, as it got very detailed and was impossible to
follow.

Having said that, I am well versed in you absolute twisting of stories,
making what you do, OK, and the exact same thing others' do a terrible
criminal offense. Therefore, I did not believe one single word that comes
out of your mouth.

I was NOT involed in any way nor had any knowledge of IIena writing to
anyone.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/15770075c2e24eab?hl=en&;


alt.support.breast-implant > Peace Offer


Wed, Mar 16 2005 6:56 pm

I will, as of this posting, Wednesday, March 16, 2005, at 4:20 PM EST,
unconditionally cease and desist from posting to Ilena, about Ilena or in
response to Ilena.

I hope that you (Jessi), who have been a supporter of hers, will now move
and directly ask her to do the same thing. Further, if she ceases her
actions towards me, I will render the posts in the Fan Club unreadable. If
she removes any and all webpages regarding me and/or my family, the Fan Club
will cease to exist.


---------------


This is the sum total of what I am going to do. Nothing more, nothing less.

==

No conditons!!





http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/57559955dc783e8a?hl=en&;

alt.support.breast-implant > Peace Offer: Two Month Anniversary


Mon, May 16 2005

"Mark Probert" <Mark Prob...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:...


I will, as of this posting, Wednesday, March 16, 2005, at 4:20 PM EST,
unconditionally cease and desist from posting to Ilena, about Ilena or in
response to Ilena.

I hope that you (Jessi), who have been a supporter of hers, will now move
and directly ask her to do the same thing. Further, if she ceases her
actions towards me, I will render the posts in the Fan Club unreadable. If
she removes any and all webpages regarding me and/or my family, the Fan
Club
will cease to exist.


---------------


This is the sum total of what I am going to do. Nothing more, nothing



less.

-------------


Happy anniversary to me
Happy anniversary to me


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/34fe67ab651ed735?hl=en&;

Ilena Rose" <i...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

news:q0mh81lkfdiljepqni0glh6d398am2qaiv@xxxxxxxxxx



Of course Sandra & Mark S Probert's Hate Site against me is still open



Temporary suspension of not responding...


When you stop sniping at me in other groups, the messages will no longer be
readable.


When you remove all webpages with my name or my wife's name, the site will
be gone.


It is as simple as that.


Meanwhile, back to not responding to you.

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Rosenthal said:


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www.BreastImplantAwareness.org­/SandraProbert.htm
(Sandy ... I almost removed the page on you ... then saw that your hubby
is now attacking me publicly at the moment ... it's true ... but going
underground with his tactics. Too bad


..)"


I sit here lurking day after day and read all this bickering from you and
all the others. I read Probert's declaration of peace, and was hopeful
that this time at least that war could end. I have not seen him attack you
in any of the newsgroups since he declared his peace. Can you show anyone
where he has attacked you since his declaration of peace?


If you cannot, then you should rightfully remove the website you made up
about his wife. I see her as a casualty of your war.


If you do remove it, it puts him on the spot since he has the next move.
He could remove the posts in the fan club he created. If he does not, then
it proves that his offer of peace is shallow. Of course, if he does remove
the posts, then the next move is in your hands.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.breast-implant/msg/a70be125e27af776?hl=en&;

alt.support.breast-implant > Bye-bye

From: FreddieFarkas - view profile
Date: Tues, Apr 19 2005 5:23 pm


Late last year I lost my wife to breat cancer. She was the youngest of six
sisters, and the only one to have developed this deadly disease.


Years ago she had silicone breat implants, and, although the medical
establishment has stated that there is no connection, I wonder why my wife
was the one chosen. No one in her entire family has ever had cancer, let
alone breast cancer.


I began reading this newsgroup several months ago with the hope that I
could find answers to my questions. What I found was a nightmare of
mudslinging and hate. I spent time reading the Google archives, and found
that this behavior has gone on for years. What a sorry state of affairs
this is.


During the weeks and months that I lurked, I began to realize that the
mudslinging was the responsibility of just a few people. When Jessi made
her request, I had hoped that she would act resposnibly and address the
mudslinging.


Instead, she ignored any mudslinging by Rosenthal, no matter what was
said. Then, LadyLolipop, who I understand is a woman named Jan Drew,
popped back into the newsgroup and joined the fray.


Did any of these two women spend a minute questioning Rosenthal's actions?
No. Instead, they accept Rosenthal's claims that I am Mark Probert without
a moment's hesitation. For them, it is proof enough that Rosenthal said
it.


What they have done is to allow a war to continue and thus, render this
so-called support group to be useless.


Bye-bye.


FF





www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm#Farkas

In a message dated 3/12/2005 3:48:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
ilena2000@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

Someone is running scared, it's Mark, have you posted it, the very idea in
saying, you were warned not to e-mail her, but you did it anyway, what a
hoot, that's exacrly he did to me, he is a mess..

Barf.

Jan
If I read correctly, you are claiming here, in writing, that your husband,
Mark S. Probert, was never a lawyer and was never disbarred?

Is that accurate?

Ilena

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm



From: "Sandra Probert" <sandraprobert@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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C'est la guerre.

www.humanticsfoundation.com/sandraprobert.htm

Dear Rosenthal:

Let us take a moment to review the history of this matter.

YOU initiated this situation when you invaded my privacy by emailing me
after my husband warned you not to do so. Your attitude was that you can do
whatever you want, and you went ahead and emailed me.

When I did not respond as quickly as you liked, you posted the email to a
website which you wisely removed. That is extremely childish and controlling
behavior, and I would not tolerate it in my presence, or from anyone who I
had to deal with. From some of the posts you have made, specifically those
where you complain when someone insists on a direct answer, it is clear that
you would not tolerate it either.

Thus, it is obvious that YOU, and not me, initiated this situation.

Since those emails, you have continued to accuse my husband of all sorts of
horrible things without the slightest proof on your part. For your
information, you are absolutely incorrect about his career. We met in
college, after he left military service, and I have known him since then.

After college he worked for one of the US Government's agencies where he
spent long periods overseas. During many of these periods, he was not able
to contact me, nor I him. Our marriage, which has lasted just over 31 years
as of this month, is strong, and testifies to the devotion we have toward
each other.

In the mid-late 1980's we came to realize that there had to be two full time
parents for our two special needs children. Accordingly, Mark left field
work, something that he loved, and settled into an office type position with
that agency. When an early retirement package was offered, with enhancements
for those who had line of duty injuries, like Mark, he took the package and
retired.

Fortuitously, Mark then met an old college friend and they formed a company
which provides security and investigation services. They have been at it
since then. Mark, with his training and experience, is an incredibly
effective investigator and security consultant.

Mark's devotion to our family is equaled only by his strong beliefs in
protecting our country and individual rights. I have asked him numerous
times to complain to GoDaddy, the company that hosts your website,
RoadRunner and Hotmail. He refuses to do so, since he is not a hypocrite.

Because of the nature of Mark's former employment, we are circumspect in
divulging any personal information that can put our family at risk. For us,
the risk is real, as in Mark's work for the US Government, there were "bad
people" who use violence to settle matters. Mark made some enemies while
working for the government, in countries where they seek revenge for life.

Since you had posted my place of employment, I have been followed from
school. Fortunately, Mark trained me on how to shake a tail, amongst other
protective measures he has taken.

Additionally, there have been calls to my school from people who refuse to
give their names. This has never had this happen before, and YOU have put my
family at risk.

If you are the kind compassionate person that you claim to be, you will
immediately remove that webpage, and any webpage referring my husband, to
prevent further damage. You have stated that the purpose of the webpages is
to have a conveniently means of replying to your critics.

If you remove these webpages, I assure you the following will immediately
happen:

1. The "Fan Club" will disappear, and never return.

2. Mark will respond to your posts on usenet only in a substantive manner,
and will no longer address your actions, words and deeds.

You will no longer have a need to have a convenient way of replying to him.

By your action, the war will be over. The future is yours to choose.

Sandra Probert

Dear Mrs. Drew:

I am using email to you since I do not wish to participate in Usenet. I
trust that you *wil* respect this. I *wil* not email you again, except to
forward to you other emails that Rosenthal has sent to me. She had the
unmitigated gall to actually post this email to a webpage, which she
acknowledges, and has since removed. She had the nerve to post my place of
employment in the newsgroups and on that webpage.

Frankly, I am tired of your constant blaming Mark for everything that
Rosenthal has done to him. This email was sent to ME, not him, by her. He
had warned her several times not to do so, but, she went ahead and emailed
me. I have spoken with some of Mark's friends in government law enforcement,
and they tell me that this can be construed as stalking behavior, since I
have never had contact with her.

Let me be blunt: I have been fully aware of Mark's activities from day one
as we share *verything* in our relationship. He has NEVER posted as Will
Ketcher, and we have not had an AOL account for a long time. However,
Rosenthal persists in accusing him.

Let me clear up this issue Mark's attempt to infiltrate her email list. He
has never denied doing so, and has clearly stated his reasons, which
Rosenthal rejects. When he mentioned that our younger son was about to have
surgery he began receiving some very nasty email which sounded quite a bit
like Rosenthal. I read them, and know that they were hate filled and
mirrored her usual verbiage. Some of them actually wished ill to our son.
Remember, I am an English teacher and I spend hours a day reading students'
work. I also felt that they could have originated with people who were
affiliated with her.

Mark was deeply offended by some of the statements in these emails, and he
attempted to locate the senders, but was unsuccessful. He then decided to
try to read her group to see if he could identify the offending individuals.
As you know, she found out what he did, and posted a message to that effect.
Mark *immeidatrely* acknowledged what he did, and expressed his reasons,
which she denied and said that we never received such email, even though she
had absolutely no way of reading his email inbox.

You have been *concistently*wrong about Mark, and even more consistently
wrong about Mark. I have read many instances where it was clear that you did
not *udnerstand* what he was saying. Now that you do not read his full
messages (many times you respond to something that has been severely edited)
or his replies, you are making assumptions based on less than all the facts.
If you were my student, you would get an F.

When I first received this email I was very upset by her actions, and I
wanted to file complaints with Hotmail, RoadRunner and GoDaddy, her website
host. Mark talked me out of it, as he does not think that such actions *wil
lhelp* her. In fact, he is convinced that she *wil* become even more abusive
and obsessed with "enemies." You know that I have every right to make such
complaints.

Several of my students have used her website about Mark in their *wrtiings*
in my senior honors writing seminar. Another group has used Rosenthal in a
debate in my senior debating class. They used her to demonstrate that the
First Amendment, which is posted in Mark's study, protects even the most
vile people. I gave them an A.

I trust that this helps you get a better perspective on Mark, and on
Rosenthal.

As I said above, I will not email you again, but I will forward all of her
current messages to me.

If you wish to respond to me, please do so at SandraProb...@xxxxxxxxxxxx I
am using my professional email address simply because that is the address
Rosenthal used.

Sandra Probert

______________________________­__


SPro...@xxxxxxxxxx

Instead, I have had conditions thrown at me, and, when I finally
decided to dso it myself, the sniping at me still continued from two
quarters. Please do not play stupid and ask me who. You read the group
and you know who.

Barry McGuire sang it best when he sang, "Eve of Destruction."

Hmmm.you are a 60's protestor?

Hearing it today
was just as fresh as yesterday, and although some of it is dated, it
is still relevant
today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akoukq5DvAE&feature=related

I usually like this line, "Hate your neighbor, but don't forget to say
Grace."

That line is a crticism of the hypocrisy of bigots who were killing
and lynching Blacks and then going to their churches for absolution.

.