Re: Why there is no scientific evidence to support alternative medicine

Information for the idiots.
ALL medicine was once "Alternate" and still is.
Chemo is alternate to surgery. DDUUUUHHHH


"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"rpautrey2" <rpautrey2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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PM: What makes Dr. Briggs an expert in/on alternative medicine? In/on
complementary medicine? I'm not impressed or excitited. PA

Excerpts From:
Josephine Briggs, M.D., Named Director of NIH's National Center for
Complementary and Alternative Medicine

National Institutes of Health (NIH) Director, Elias A. Zerhouni,
M.D.,
has named Josephine P. Briggs, M.D., to be the director of the
National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM).
An
accomplished researcher and physician, Dr. Briggs brings a ...

Dr. Briggs received her A.B. cum laude in biology from Harvard-
Radcliffe College and her M.D. from Harvard Medical School. She
completed her residency training in internal medicine and nephrology
at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine, followed by a research
fellowship in physiology at Yale School of Medicine. She was a
professor of internal medicine and physiology at the University of
Michigan from 1993 to 1997. From 1997 to 2006 she was director of the
Division of Kidney, Urologic, and Hematologic Diseases in the
National
Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases. For the last
year and a half she has been senior scientific officer at the Howard
Hughes Medical Institute.


Dr. Briggs has published more than 125 research articles and is on
the
editorial boards of numerous journals. She is an elected member of
the
American Association of Physicians and a fellow of the American
Association for the Advancement of Science. She is also a recipient
of
the Volhard Prize of the German Nephrological Society. Her research
interests include the renin-angiotensin system, diabetic nephropathy
and the effect of antioxidants in kidney disease.


The National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine's
mission is to explore complementary and alternative medical practices
in the context of rigorous science, train CAM researchers, and
disseminate authoritative information to the public and
professionals.
For additional information, call NCCAM's Clearinghouse toll free at
1-888-644-6226, or visit the NCCAM Web site at:
www.nccam.nih.gov


The National Institutes of Health (NIH) -- The Nation's Medical
Research Agency -- includes 27 Institutes and Centers and is a
component of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. It is
the primary federal agency for conducting and supporting basic,
clinical and translational medical research, and it investigates the
causes, treatments, and cures for both common and rare diseases. For
more information about NIH and its programs, visit:
www.nih.gov


On Jan 22, 4:27 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Yes, there's some of that. But why is it that this element to the
mainstream enables you to dismiss everything a basically honest doctor
like
me says, while you can at the same time ignore all the fraud, delusion,
and
sheer ignorance governing alternative medicine? . You seem prepared to
believe anything, so long as it is "alternative", which means that
scientists, governments, doctors and health insurers, reject it..

PM

A basically honest doctor like me....

What a hoot!

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/bb9d653f7997ad92

Jan" <jdrew63...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message

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From: "Peter Moran" mori...@xxxxxxxxxx

We deserve to have the truth the matter.


Peter Moran


Here is an example of the truth of the matter, which Peter Moran flat out
denies


http://www.msnbc.com/news/809196.asp


Peter Moran wrote:


All medical advances have entailed risk, ever since the first caveman
said"I
wonder what this berry does?".


Using retroviruses to try and correct lethal and potentially lethal gene
defects is a very legitimate and logic alavenue of medical research. So
this is
nothing to do with "conspiracies", "coverups" .


It is a matter of the quality of informed consent that was applied. It
would
be unusual these days for such issues to not be addressed carefully by
the
researchers and the ethics committees to which all clinical trials are
submitted thesedays. We cannot know how culpable the doctors are from
this
rather emotive news item.


Peter Moran



Thanks, Jan. One of my better posts.

Peter Moran


*Years earlier, a scientist just a few miles away from the Gelsinger's
home
in
Tucson had raised serious questions about whether the experiment was
safe.*


Documents


. Feb. 8, 2002: FDA letter, attempt to ban Dr. Wilson from other
experiments.
. March 3, 2000: FDA Warning Letter, original findings about the gene
therapy experiment.


(No coverups there,,,,,,,,,,,,,)


The trouble is, Paul Gelsinger says, Dr. Wilson's team had never told him
that anyone had ever raised questions about safety


(That's fine and dandy according to organized medicine member, Peter
Moran.)


ADVERSE REACTIONS WERE NOT REPORTED
And that was just the beginning. Federal investigators, pouring
through
Penn's records, announced at the conference that they had made a series
of
startling discoveries, raising questions about whether the doctors had
covered
up problems and broken basic test rules.


In fact, just a few months before Jesse had signed up for the experiment,
several monkeys given viruses similar to Jesse's got sick. And two of
them
died.


(No coverup there)


The rules for the experiment said: Even if volunteers didn't get visibly
ill,
if tests showed that any of them had a significant reaction called "grade
3," the experiment was supposed to be "halted" immediately.
Records show there were "grade 3" reactions in more than one
patient. The first time, doctors stopped, called the government and got
permission to continue, saying an unusual condition with the patient
might
have
been the cause.
The second time, they stopped, called and got permission again,
citing
another unusual condition.
But when it happened a third time, they didn't stop, didn't call.
Then, a fourth time. They didn't stop or call then either


(No coverups there).


For their own safety, volunteers weren't supposed to have a blood
ammonia level higher than 50. But people were coming in with higher
levels
and
without proper approval. The limit was raised to 70.
When Jesse signed up over the summer, he was within the limits, but
records show that when Penn doctors tested him, just days before the
experiment, his reading was 114 - more than double the original safety
limit.


(That's way cool huh Peter???)


HIGH FINANCIAL STAKES
With so many red flags from the monkey deaths to the reactions in
other
volunteers, even to Jesse's own ammonia levels, Why had Dr. Wilson's team
allowed the experiment to continue?


(Wonder if Peter can answer this question?)


At the University of Pennsylvania, the conflict committee approved
Dr.
Wilson's arrangement with Genovo.
In fact, the university itself owned a piece of his company and
stood to
profit, too.


(Hmmmmmmmmm).


In a statement, the university acknowledged that some information
"should have been shared with the FDA sooner."


(Just a minor little slip,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,)


There was no information given to Jesse or his family about the monkey
deaths.
There was no information given to Jesse or his family about toxic results
in
prior patients. There was no information that would allow Jesse and his
family
to make any kind of informed decision."


(Peter STILL can't see any coverup!!!! NO dishonesty!)


CONFIDENTIAL REPORTS


He told congress that other private companies in the race for cures
had
also been doing gene therapy experiments and had also gotten adverse
reactions.
But instead of sharing the information, government rules allowed them to
stamp
those reactions "confidential," classifying them as trade secrets to
protect their research investments.
So, while the government knew about them, other researchers like
Dr.
Wilson and volunteers like Jesse Gelsinger were never allowed to see
them.


(TRust the government!!!)


"I was outraged," says Paul. "I had a right to know. Jesse had a right to
know.


(Oh my,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,emotions).


***In February, the Food and Drug Administration said that because Dr.
Wilson
filed "false and misleading" reports and "repeatedly and deliberately
violated regulations ****


REPEAT FOR THE HARD HEADED!!!


***Dr. Wilson filed "false and misleading" reports and "repeatedly and
deliberately violated regulations ***


(No coverups,,,,,,,,,,no fraud,,,,,,,,,,no deliberate
violations,,,,,,,,,,,,)


This week marks the third anniversary of Jesse Gelsinger's death.
At
the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Wilson


****is still on the faculty****


(Soooooooooo in organized medicine,,,,,,,,,,,)


****Filing *false and misleading reports* is A OK,,,,,,,,,,,,****


****REPEATED and DELIBERATE violations,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,is A OK.***


but no longer in charge of its gene therapy program. And, in Congress,
lawmakers are still debating legislation to provide more protection for
medical
volunteers.


******in the end, whether Jesse was betrayed by the doctors he and his
family
thought they could trust.*********




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