Re: Peter Moran - Where's the "Expert" Critique?

Martin <idontwantno@spam> wrote:

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:27:35 -0800 (PST), jurimed2@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Jan 2, 5:54 am, schu...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In article <0sGej.2509$pr6.1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Jan Drew <jdrew1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

: Actually, he could not answer Tim's questions. Then he changed the title.

Since you do that all the time, I'm not sure exactly what your problem is.

: FACT: It was and still is Peter Moran who played the obfuscation game.

You should look up the word "obfuscation" sometime.  I think that you'll
be suprised to find out what it actually means.  Mr. Moran made a simple
and clear request:  if Hulda Clark has a method for curing cancer, let
someone who was cured by that method step forward.  One would think that
her supporters would leap at the opportunity to demonstrate that Mr.
Moran's conclusions about Clark's methods are incorrect.

:> Now *this* is obfuscation.  *You* are the one one making the claims,
:> therefore *you* are the one responsible for providing some evidence that
:> those claims are true.

: Wrong.  Peter Moran made claims, he cannot proof them.

I agree that Mr. Moran has a tendency not to edit his posts sufficiently
(which I have told him more than once is a violation of netiquette), but
the claim being made is

"Hulda Clark has developed an effective method for curing cancer," which
claim is *not* being made by Mr. Moran.

: The norm for the ilk *gang*.

I'm still waiting for an explanation of what an "ilk gang" is.

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Richard Schultz                              schu...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
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". . . for while he was not dumber than an ox, he was not any smarter."
                                -- James Thurber, _My Life and Hard Times_

Richard:

You, as well as Peter Moran, don't seem to understand simple logic.
If it is such a great idea to subject patients to intense outside
scrutiny, then lets do each and every patient Peter Moran ever had
FIRST - if there ever were any (and we only have HIS word that there
were), and if, of course, there are any that actually survived his
services.

We know, of course, that the conventional cancer treatment system only
benefits those that work in it (with boatloads of money) - not the
patients. So, it is only right that we, first, set up the comparison
group - and what better group to use then Peter Moran's - that is, if
there ever actually were any Moran patients - and I am beginning to
doubt that. After all, Peter Moran is associated with the
quackbusters - and we know that they lie, lie, lie.

So, for right now, I think, due to his lack of appropriate response,I
thikn it safe to assume that Peter Moran has never actually dealt with
any cancer patients, or, even worse, none survived his machinations -
otherwise he'd, or those patients, be bragging about it here on the
internet, right?

Amused in California...

Tim Bolen

In other words, you are incapable of even producing one single person
that Hulda Clark has ever cured of cancer.
Try as hard as you can to shift attention away from that fact, but I
ain't fallin for it.

The reason I chose 100 as the number to use in my cancer curer
challenge at http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/cancer100.htm is
that Clark mentioned 103 "cures" in one of her ridiculous books. If
she has cured 103 people, then 103 case records should be available.

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