Re: Materials Scientist BLASTS Anti-Homeopathists

As I have said before when discussing the equally idiotic ideas about
mercury expressed by Dr Haley


Because any Scientist, Researcher or Doctor that does not agree with
Pharma paid science is labeled as being an idiot, according to Pharma
shills.

Its sort of like trying to get to the truth behind Iraq, The first
persons to say the war is about oil were labeled as conspiracy freaks.
We live in a suck ass world where greed runs through peoples veins
like water runs through a broken faucet.




On Dec 30, 5:30 pm, Peter Bowditch <myfirstn...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 28, 5:51 pm, Peter Bowditch

I'm also not entirely sure of the intent and applicability of that
analogy with the water memory question and will do some
more thinking on that.

It has no relationship to the "memory of water", and was introduced by
Dr Roy as a non sequitur to confuse people who might not know much
chemistry. Even if what he said were true it would have no relevance
to homeopathy, because the crystalline structures of diamond and
graphite are well known and are not containers of information about
anything other than how carbon atoms form bonds with each other. He
might as well have used ethane and methane.

Again, you are making the same mistake against which I have warned in
previous postings.  Allow me to reiterate.
Homeopathy has ENOUGH problems in the supposed mechanisms of how it
might work, if it works without you demon-izing perfectly legitimate
researchers such as Dr. Roy here.

I agree that homeopathy has problems, one of which is total lack of
any evidence of efficacy, and another of which is absolute
implausibility. Put simply it doesn't work because it can't work.

I did not demonise Dr Roy. I pointed out that he used an idiotic
statement which he must have known to be untrue. This makes him an
idiot and a liar.



From his brief comments in letter to the editor in which he properly
rebukes Goldarcre, you have managed to "conclude" that he is purposely
trying to confuse people, that he is "stupid" or "deranged" or
"lying".

The letter was hardly brief, and in it he exhibited quite clear signs
that he is either deranged or lying. I look for evidence to support
what I say, unlike Dr Roy who used a ridiculous non sequitur as
"evidence".



It is obvious that you are drawing excessively negative conclusions
from quite a paucity of data, and this will only serve to reinforce
people's curiosity rather than quell it.  Not to mention that you are,
by such responses, CONFIRMING Dr. Roy's criticisms of the anti-
Homeopathists!

So Dr Roy doesn't like people who want evidence and are critical of
"scientists" who offer idiocy instead of evidence. So what?



So, try to restrain your leaps of emotion - let us
go to his web site at

www.rustumroy.com

Wow! This guy is nuttier than I thought.



and read of his accomplishments, evaluate his,
in my opinion, rather speculative theories and ideas,
and perhaps, if nothing else, learn something about what might explain
Homeopathy, or what might deny it.

As I have said before when discussing the equally idiotic ideas about
mercury expressed by Dr Haley, the length of someone's CV has nothing
to do with science. I have enormous respect for Linus Pauling, but he
was wrong about vitamin C. Nicola Tesla was a genius but he was wrong
about the possibility of a perpetual motion machine.



In other words, my dear Bowditch, let us
try to retain our OBJECTIVITY in the face
of the mysterious nanotechnological world
of the future that is now. (Diamond is currently
under research for storing information in
its crystalline structure, I hesitate to mention
this terrible fact to you for fear of arousing the
slightest connection with Homeopathy mechanisms
which, so far as I know, there are none!).

You would have a reference to this research, I suppose? By the way,
storing information in defects in the solid crystalline structure of
diamond has nothing to do with whether the same can be done with
liquid water. Defects in the crystalline structure of silicon and
gallium are being used even as I type to store a form of information
which helps to make this computer in front of me work. The fact that
silicon (which has chemical similarities to carbon) can be used in
this way says nothing about whether liquid water can remember the
bladders it has been in.

You are right about it having nothing to do with homeopathy.







I have already found a presentation on the "Science of Whole Person
Healing" which I thought quite good,
with comments such as the following:

                    Context Setting
         Sociology of American "Science"
                 (not technology) Today

- It is the religion and common belief structure of the
 "educated" people (especially non-scientists!!)
- It has well-oiled machinery to protect current orthodoxy
 (e.g. peer-review)
- It is paranoid about "cheating," while such is regularly
 found in the best labs and the best journals; it is imputed
 to the fringe-scientists who have zero motivation
- Concerns about potential harm from new ideas and new
 healing strategies ignore the >200,000 Americans/year
 who die from the operation of the hi-tech system.

Go ahead, Bowditch, live dangerously and give some of his
presentations a read,

Thanks for providing the link. Oh, that's right - you didn't.

http://www.rustumroy.com/SWPH%20WITH%20%20PHOTO,%20%20for%20general%2...

Are you familiar with the name Ned Ludd?

So Dr Roy has a lot to say against science. So what? We already know
that he will talk nonsense when it suits him. This presentation shows
that he is prepared to do a lot of quote mining and out-of-context
quoting to make his point. When he starts off by perverting the words
of Lewis Thomas (whose books I have) the signs appear early.

I will say, however, that the presentation has made me revise my
opinion of him being deranged or a liar. He is not deranged.

I then went on to look at his presentation about science and religion
athttp://www.rustumroy.com/Churches%20Presentation%20with%20Voice%20and...
and had to revise my opinion of him again. Perhaps he is deranged
after all.

we'll look forward to more of your "refutations"!!
You may even convince me because right now
the theoretical basis of Homeopathy is more of a nothing that is a
something, rather than a something that might be nothing.  But, the
damned thing about modern physics, and, who knows, medicine too, is
that the "nothings" sometimes turn out to be something,
like the supposedly "empty" space which seems,
so I am told, to have a great deal of "something" going on in it.

The fact that unknown things become known and that mysteries get
solved does not imply that all questions can be answered in the
positive. Science moves forward by adding to existing knowledge, and
scientific theories get accepted when they expand knowledge or fill in
gaps. The fact that some people think that the earth is flat does not
compel geographers to do research to refute the idiots, because that
research has already been done. They simply have to say that if the
earth is flat then a huge amount of what is known about the universe
is wrong. Similarly, just because some idiots think that the universe
id 6,000 years old does not compel scientists to do new research to
prove them wrong. Again, if the universe is only that age then a huge
amount of what we know is wrong.

The same treatment has to be given to people who claim that a liquid
with no fixed crystalline structure (that's what being a liquid means)
can be selectively affected by things which are no longer in contact
with the liquid. If this is so, then many of the things we know are
not. And nobody seems to be able to explain how the water only
remembers what the experimenter wants it to remember. Why doesn't it
remember all the other molecules it has been in contact with? Does it
read the experimenter's mind?



Thanks
Citizen Jimserac (I hope I didn't get the name ass backwards again).

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