Re: Peter Moran - Have you actually read any of Hulda Clark's books?


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On Dec 24, 11:43 am, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Dec 23, 11:54 pm, "Peter Moran" <pmo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





> <jurim...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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> > Peter Moran -

> > Have you actually read any of Hulda Clark's books? Or do you rely, in
> > your commentaries, entirely on what Barrett tells you to think?

> Hullo, 'ullo! Tim wants to talk medicine? That's new. Actually Tim, it
> so happens I have read two of her books. What would you like to know?

> Also if you look at Dr Barrett's web sites you might note that he has
> turned
> to me (among many others) for comment on matters that he does not feel
> competent to deal with.

> One bit relevant to one of Hulda's wacky ideas is the piece I wrote for
> him
> on gallstone and liver
> cleanses.http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/flushes.html

> I do apologise for my stiff and awkward writing style. It comes from
> decades of writing medical reports and correspondence. We could use > your
> way with words (but not so much with the facts). Are you sure you won't
> ever come over to the good guys? If you are reduced to idle posting to
> this newsgroup you can't be very fulfilled with what you are doing.

> PM

PM:

Which two have you read?

Curious in California...

Tim Bolen

PM "The Cure for All Cancers" mad "the Cure for all Diseases". I have
glanced through others in the library. Why?

Bemused in Brisbane

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Then I have two questions:

(1) Where did you find something wrong in each of them?

PM You could have asked this in an earlier post and saved us time. Is this to be the death of a thousand posts for me? But I'll play for a bit.

I think just about everything she says is either factually untrue or inconsistent with well-trodden paths of science, and the rest is assertion for which she has never published any evidence, even in her more technical books. The testimonials and case reports she produces are of such an abysmally low quality, even compared to those of other cancer charlatans, as to suggest that she is utterly clueless as to how to know when a cancer treatment works and that she doesn't really care to find out by following her patients up properly.

I have also given you a through critique of the gallstone thing. That should do for starters.

But I have no intention of being set up for the "prove it's not so" approach to medical science favoured by you lawyers. Perhaps if you reveal what you like about Hulda Clark and especially where we can find some cured cancer patients of hers, we can talk further. You have been portraying her as a saviour of mankind and a brilliant medical researcher. You, above all people, should be able to show us how you know she is curing patients with serious cancers. Or is she still merely pronouncing them cured with her quack machine, as she describes in her first book?

(2) What library did you glance through the others at?

The Ipswich City Council library.

PM
www.cancerwatcher.com

(Source: American Cancer Society)

Poor Peter.

http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/research/cancer.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071212041438AAPRl2c

Is the American Cancer Society a fraud? Where is all the money going?
Financial Assistance and Other Resources - National Cancer I...
Financial assistance is given in the form of limited grants for certain treatment .... The American Cancer Society (ACS) offers programs that help cancer ...http://www.cancer.org/docroot/home/index... American Cancer society


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The average American diagnosed with cancer spend upwards of US$25 000 of their savings attempting to save their lives. Sadly, these people are not getting much for their money.

Spending for the 'American Cancer Society' alone is over US$1 million a day. Only about 16% goes directly into programs for cancer patients, the rest into bureaucratic overhead and expensive drug research.

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http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/American-Cancer-Society-Now-Pushing-Cervical-Cancer-Vaccine-on-Young-Girls-4278.aspx

American Cancer Society Now Pushing Cervical Cancer Vaccine on Young Girls

Now, the American Cancer Society has issued guidelines recommending that 11- and 12-year old girls should routinely receive the HPV vaccine. The guidelines also say:

Females as young as 9 years may receive HPV vaccination

http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/boycottACS.htm

http://www.preventcancer.com/

an interesting recent development, the Center for Mind-Body Medicine in Washington, D.C. held a two day conference on "Comprehensive Cancer Care: Integrating Complementary and Alternative Medicine." According to Dr. James Gordon, President of the Center and Chair of the Program Advisory Council of the NIH Office of Alternative Medicine, the object of the conference was to bring together practitioners of mainstream and alternative medicine, together with cancer patients and high ranking officials of the ACS and NCI. Dr. Gordon warned alternative practitioners that "they're going to need to get more rigorous with their work -- to be accepted by the mainstream community." However, no such warning was directed at the highly questionable claims by NCI and ACS for the efficacy of conventional cancer chemotherapy. As significantly, criticism of the establishment's minimalistic priority for cancer prevention was effectively discouraged by Dr. Gordon.
In the fall of 1998 OAM was upgraded by Congress to an autonomous Institute, "The National Center for Complementary Alternative Medicine," finally forcing the ACS to cease attacks on cancer "quackery."

The Mammography Industry

The ACS has close connections to the mammography industry. Five radiologists have served as ACS presidents, and in its every move, the ACS reflects the interests of the major manufacturers of mammogram machines and film, including Siemens, DuPont, General Electric, Eastman Kodak, and Piker. In fact, if every woman were to follow ACS and NCI mammography guidelines, the annual revenue to health care facilities would be a staggering $5 billion, including at least $2.5 billion for premenopausal women.

Promotions of the ACS continue to lure women of all ages into mammography centers, leading them to believe that mammography is their best hope against breast cancer. A leading Massachusetts newspaper featured a photograph of two women in their twenties in an ACS advertisement that promised early detection results in a cure "nearly 100 percent of the time." An ACS communications director, questioned by journalist Kate Dempsey, responded in an article published by the Massachusetts Women's Community Cancer Project:

The ad isn't based on a study. When you make an advertisement, you just say what you can to get women in the door. You exaggerate a point. . . . Mammography today is a lucrative (and) highly competitive business.

In addition, the mammography industry conducts research for the ACS and its grantees, serves on advisory boards, and donates considerable funds. DuPont also is a substantial backer of the ACS Breast Health Awareness Program; sponsors television shows and other media productions touting mammography; produces advertising, promotional, and information literature for hospitals, clinics, medical organizations, and doctors; produces educational films; and, of course, lobbies Congress for legislation promoting availability of mammography services. In virtually all of its important actions, the ACS has been strongly linked with the mammography industry, ignoring the development of viable alternatives to mammography.


Curious in California...

Tim Bolen



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