Re: Sticking a Needle in Alternative Medicine
- From: "vernono" <vernono@hereandthere>
- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:22:25 -0700
"David Wright" <wright@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Citizen Jimserac <Jimserac@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 12, 10:58 pm, wri...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (David Wright) wrote:
In articleI agree with your math, but NOT with the scope, veracity,
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Citizen Jimserac <Jimse...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 5, 8:34 pm, drcee...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Dec 5, 8:13 pm, "Yuri Kuchinsky" <y...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"David Wright" <wri...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Obvious deception.
"In all corners of the world, except in the former Soviet Union,
life
expectancy is rising"
Life expectancy is not rising. The official stats are clearly
phony.
The fact that you decide something is "clearly phony" is not
evidence
of anything except possibly paranoia on your part.
The official stats are phony IMO.
Yuri, I just completed one of those life expectancy things. I should
live to be 104.
However, in looking at their program I noticed this rather odd
occurance.
If you are 30 you should live to be 74.
If you are 40 you should live to be 75
If you are 50 you should live to be 76
If you are 60 you should live to be 78
If you are 70 you should live to be 82
My question is: If modern medicine is providing such great health
and
a longer life, why are 30 year olds expected to live to 74 while
those
who are 60 can expect to live to 78?
Is life expectancy decreasing? What do the programmers know that we
do not?
DrCee
Exactly. The official statistics are worthless,
or nearly so, in effecting any kind of evaluation
of the general health.
What's worthless are the maunderings of "DrCee" who is not any kind of
doctor. Despite his claims of education, he cannot do even simple
mathematics, not even arithmetic, and I see you are no better. The
life expectancy numbers were a simple matter of conditional
probability, a concept that Cee is quite incapable of understanding,
as you apparently are also.
interpretation nor population sample of the statistics themselves.
There are wide variations in climate, ecological conditions,
pollution, stress levels and general living conditions in various
parts of the country. I would expect these things to have significant
effects on individuals. The 30 year old in Detroit might be exposed
to the conditions I noted above which would be significantly different
from the 30 year old in Providence, or Atlanta, or Perl Harbor.
In addition, such statistics simplistically avoid the already
statistically significant effect of the introduction of large masses
of people from foreign countries, many of them illegal immigrants on
the original population sample. I'll bet those effects are not even
considered.
We'll get to that. But since we started from Cee's simplistic numbers
about life expectancy based on current age, what else would we expect?
Of course a general figure for the entire country is not going to
reflect all of those concerns, nor can it be expected to. We don't
know how specific Cee's survey was, however, because he didn't tell us
where he got the numbers.
In any event, I was criticizing his mathematical illiteracy (and not
for the first time, I might add), not arguing whether or not the
specific numbers were reliable.
As you well know, the health conditions in many of the countries from
which our 30 million illegal immigrants came (YES i SAID 30 MILLION,
YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE "OFFICIAL" STATISTICS ON THAT ONE, DO YOU?) are
substandard compared to the U.S.
and I believe that already has a significant impact, unaccounted for.
Believe whatever you like. Where'd you get *your* numbers?
I need not remind an apparently knowledgeable person such as yourself
of the alarming rise in diseases such as LEPROSY, and drug resistant
strains of TB which are, at least in part, attributable to the sudden
introduction of these populations
(historically sudden, it has been in progress for about 30 years).
Correct me if wrong.
Oh, you can count on *that*.
Leprosy? Oh, god, not that bit of crap again. Are you under the
impression Lou Dobbs is a reliable source? He got his numbers from
some loon who completely bollixed them. Leprosy has not shown an
"alarming rise." It's still incredibly rare.
As for drug-resistant TB, or most any other disease for that matter,
the only rule is: if it's out there, it'll get here eventually. No
disease is more than a plane ride away, not these days. Remember that
case earlier this year of the guy with TB who was told not to fly, did
it anyway, and tried to sneak back into the country to avoid
detection? He had drug-resistant TB. And he wasn't an illegal
immigrant, either. Maybe illegal immigrants will bring it in sooner,
or more, but it's coming anyway.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
Not disagreeing with your statement, but the original statement(s) were
illogical and almost religious.
"If you are XX you should live to be YY."
"should"????
No realistic research or study would use those words or anything inferring
such.
.
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