Re: homeopathic remedies


"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Apr 11, 11:57 pm, JohnDoe <d...@xxxxxxx> wrote:

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On Apr 11, 12:15 pm, "vernon O" <stillther@there> wrote:

"Mark Probert" <markprob...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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Mike wrote:

Homeopathic remedies are based on the science of "like cures like."

That is not science.

You are not a scientist and you know very little about science.

It isn't "Homeopathic" but vaccinations are based on that theory.

The statement actually say NOTHING.

Hello!

I am not a chemist, pharmacist or any other type of M.D., but I am an
engineer who is versed in science.

Engineers are regularly embarrassed by one of their ranks who turns out
to be a creationist. You are clearly another source of embarresment for
engineers worldwide.


The theory and practice of
homeopathy has been around for centuries

About two centuries.


and has been very successful.

At surviving despite failing every form of test, also since about two
centuries.


The idea is to kick start your bodies natural defenses to
do what they are supposed to do. It is a viable and practical
alternative to traditional western medicine.

Uhm, homeopathy *is* tradional western medicine. The guy who invented
it
was a German and it's two centuries old. It's just not scientific or,
more important, effective medicine.


Homeopathy has a cure for many of the maladies faced today, even
cancer.

This is where it stops being funny. If people would only use homeopathy
for harmless, selflimiting diseases, it would only cost them money.
This
sort of claims will cost them their life. Somebody should throw the
homeopath that made you believe this lie in jail.


(I personally know of one person who was cured of cancer
through homeopathy without using traditional treatments.)

No you don't.


Many well known doctors, such an Andrew Weil promote and practice
homeopathy.

Andrew Weil? The man who gets his best ideas when hallucinating from
peyote, mushrooms and LSD? That Andrew Weil?


My family swears by it.

A whole family? Could it be genetic?


Having said that, if you've tried homeopathy and have not had any
success, I'd like to know about it. If you haven't had success, there
are several possible reasons not the least of which is that you are
blocking treatment (meaning that you don't want to get better).

Tim

This is truly immoral. When it doesn't work - blame the patient!


Wow! I didn't realize there were so many truly negative people in the
world who are willing to knock others down.

I tend to have negative attitude towards people, in this case you, who
give people information that can costs them their life, like:
"Homeopathy
has a cure for many of the maladies faced today, even
cancer."
I have a very hard time that anyone who has even taken a cursory glance
at
what homeopathy is and it's 'successes' can really believe that. You
have
chosen to stay ignorant but you still tell people homeopathy can cure
their cancer. That makes you evil.

Just because you have no experience of something doesn't mean that it
isn't legitimate.

Indeed it does not. What makes something 'legit' is scientific research
backing it up. So far, homeopathy has failed every scientific test for
the
past 200 years, and I do mean *every* test. There is no evidence it
works
and their isn't even a possibility it works, unless we have been totally
wrong for centuries about everything in physics, chemistry, biology,
pharmacology and lots of other science.

Wrong.


http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/28a85d2632453540?hl=en&;

The Rhinitis series of studies demonstrate that a homeopathic remedy has a
different effect from placebo


Randomised controlled trial of homoeopathy versus placebo in perennial
allergic
rhinitis with overview of four trial series
BMJ 2000;321:471 476 (19 August)
Morag A Taylor, research associate, David Reilly, honorary senior lecturer
in
medicine, Robert H Llewellyn-Jones, lecturer, Charles McSharry, principal
immunologist, and Tom C Aitchison, senior lecturer in statistics


1. Reilly, DT. & Taylor, MA. Potent placebo or potency? A proposed
study
model with initial findings using homoeopathically prepared pollens in hay
fever. Br Homoeopathic J 1985; 74: 65 75.


2. Reilly, DT., Taylor, MA., McSharry, C., & Aitchison, T. Is
homoeopathy
a placebo response? Controlled trial of homoeopathic potency, with pollen
in
hayfever as model. Lancet 1986; ii: 881 886.


3. Reilly, DT., Taylor, MA., Beattie, NGM., Campbell, JH., McSharry,
C., &
Aitchison, TC. Is evidence for homoeopathy reproducible? Lancet 1994; 344:
1601
1606.
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"A recent review of placebo controlled homoeopathic clinical trials in
general
concluded that the effects of treatment cannot be attributed entirely to a
placebo response." Linde K, Clausius N, Ramirez G, Melchart D, Eitel F,
Hedges
LV, et al. Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? A
meta-analysis of placebo-controlled trials. Lancet 1997; 350: 834-843


"What is already known on this topic:
Homoeopathic remedies probably have an effect that is greater than
placebo"
Editorial comment in BMJ 2002;324:520

probably?



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