Re: Peter Moran FINALLY finds an alternative cancer study without apparent problems


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Peter Moran is having difficulty finding a single problem with a cancer
study:

"The Lyall et al study was a simple prospective case series looking for
an
anti-cancer effect of the Revici treatment and it found no effect in 33
cases. What is wrong with it?"

The real question should be, "What is wrong with Peter Moran?"

The dolt has already been informed that the ONLY meetings of the
'listed' authors took place at the International Press Club, where the
bar tab indicates huge amounts of alcohol being consumed.

He also has in his possession photographic evidence of a tumor
disappearing. In an email to me he discribed the tumor that was 2.5
inches and shrunken to a pimple, as being reccuring. There is
absolutely no evidence of reccurance, which would require a prior photo
of no tumor followed by the 'pimple.' In other words, Moran made up his
description...truly shameful.

Next the doltish clown questions the validity of whether the patient
was a patient in the study...he's suspicious about the photo...he's
suspicious that the patient was part of the study...but he has NO
suspicions about the drunken Lyall two-page report.

No suspicions despite the fact that Moran is aware that Dr. Robert
Fishbein wrote his own expose on Lyall's shenanigans because Fishbein
was so incensed by Lyall's atrocious behavior during the trial.

In order to provide the flavor of Lyall's outrageous so-called report
here are three sentences from the second paragraph of that Report:

"Dr. Revici, a native of Rumania, emigrated to Paris in 1936, to Mexico
in 1941, and to the United States in 1947....Generous support has been
given by a number of organizations and groups. It appears that over the
years a sum in excess of $2 million has been expended."

Mind you that this 'report' which was a mere two pages long [actually
only one-and-a-half pages] was supposed to focus on a treatment for
cancer, not to be a biography.

I challenge Peter Moran to provide another cancer study published in
JAMA that spends its time devoted to a history of the doctor whose
method is being analyzed. If he finds one, it will be yet another
alternative doctor that the author is trying to treat pejudicially.

BTW, describing a Rumanian as an emigre who leaves France (occupied by
Nazis at that time) for Mexico in 1941 sends a signal to the JAMA
readers of that time of Revici's Jewish heritage. While Peter Moron
screams for duoble blind studies, he can't find a fault with Lyall's
odd biographical description of Revici.

What nonsense! Most clinical studies will include a little of the history
and background to the matter being examined.

And where have I ever screamed for double blind studies?. The double blind
is mainly need when examining subjective outcomes (it frustrates me
enormously to be talking to someone so ignorant of the basics of clinical
research) I explain quite clearly on my web site that these are not
necessary with cancer and why
http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Showing_it_works_1.htm

.. I am prepared to look at anecdotal material but it needs to be *good
quality* anecdotal material.


PS. As laughable as Moron's behavior in all of this is this simple
fact. Peter Moron has pictures of a 2.5 inch tumor shrinking down to a
pimple. Yet his focus is not on, "How was this accomplished!!" No...his
focus is on trying to find a way to discount the result, as if the
tumor wasn't shrunken down at all. He can't face the central
matter...the shrunken tumor...so he is spending his nuttiness
on...well, nuttiness.

Another abusive post, rather than supplying the information previously
requested about a dozen times . There is no evidence on the table showing
that this patient was not treated by conventional means. There is no
evidence showing that it was ever part of the Lyall study.

It is not clear what such a single case would mean anyway, without more
information. Some kinds of lymphoma are very prone to spontaneous
remission. So are kidney cancer secondaries and melanoma. Some cancers
are hormonally sensitive and are actually responding to conventional
hormonal influences without those ever figuring in the quack testimonials or
case reports.

It is, for these and other reasons, rare for any alternative modality
treating hundreds of cases yearly over some decades as Revici did NOT to
have a few suggestive cases with certain types of cancer. So I am not at
all phased by this case in the way that you suggest. I have stated quite
clearly on my web site what kind of evidence would spark my interest in an
alternative method and it is obvious that this case fails to measure up in
at least three respects.

So far as the question of local recurrence is concerned, why is there a
white ring highlighting the pinkish patch in the last photograph? This
area was obviously of importance to the clinical photographer.

You have been unable to answer any reasonable questions as to the provenance
and nature of this case, even though you started off this whole debate by
making it out to have some importance. I say it doesn't. I have produced
some of the evidence available that shows the Revici method doesn't work
noticeably. Without a lot more evidence, and, indeed, a lot more cases, and
a better quality of case, this one means little.

Peter Moran.

www.cancerwatcher.com



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