Re: The Age of Autism: Pox -- Part 1


Max C. wrote:
Your issue skirting is noted.

cathyb wrote:
You asked me to quote from the site to show why I find it unreliable. I
provided several quotes that any sane person would accept as being
unreliable, and there are, as you are aware, innumerable others.

You provided a slurry of opinions John felt obliged to post on his
site.

Grossly dishonest. Not only is John not obliged to post anything at
all, he only posts opinions on his website that he agrees with--and you
congratulated him on a post in which he included one of the viler ones.
You find it quite credible that vaccination is being used to kill off
malnourished kids. I don't.

There are PLENTY of web sites that post opinions of vaccines...
both pro and con. That doesn't make them any more than what they
are... opinions. I believe John did a good job noting to even the most
dense reader that the quotes you posted were not his own.

Oh, I don't believe most of what he puts there are his words. Simply
that he either uncritically believes and promulgates the lies, or he
does so dishonestly. Depends how stupid he is really.

You asked why I find his site unreliable. You asked for examles. I gave
them.

They are
merely a reflection of some of the possibilities of the negative side
of vaccines.

And there, you've left the planet where the people who have cognitive
faculties live.

I think John has also made it clear that he's not trying
to *support* vaccines... so the opinions he posted are in line with the
theme of his site. You're attempt to use *opinions* on a web site as a
means of defacing the value of the *DATA* on the same site is pathetic.

No, john posts plenty of dishonest data--and indeed the anecdote about
most kids dying after polio vaccination is one such example. That's not
an opinion, that's a blatant lie about a fact.



Unless
you are the sort of idiot that believes that vaccination is, as stated
on that site, and indeed by its purveyor on this ng, used as a covert
method of killing off malnourished children, you won't touch this
website with a ten-foot bargepole.

Ah, here we go. You *CAN'T* debate me on the merits of your position,
so you stoop to name calling.

No, I didn't Read it again.

Anyone who disagrees with cathyb must be
an idiot, huh?

No, anyone who thinks whale.to is a credible source of data is an
idiot.

Pathetic.

That, too.


It appears, however, that you are such an idiot. If you want to appear
"even slightly credible" on this issue, I srggest that you don't
commend john for a post in which he includes such a ludicrous claim
with the words "John, I just wanted to take a minute and commend you
for a very informed and down to earth reply."

Again with the quotes? Do you really think I'm ashamed of what I say?

No. That's the problem.

I have no doubt that I will commend John again in the future, as he
appears to have a FAR greater knowledge of vaccines than you,


LOL. Yes, he thinks they are used as a tool for genocide--as he has
stated in this ng. Bless.


and has
obviously done much more homework on the topic than you. The real
issue here is that you CAN'T debate the data on the site, so you have
to stoop to character assassination.

I have participated in any number of debates in vaccination, and here's
the thing. No-one ever comes up with credible data from that site.
There may be some there hidden in the cesspit, but that of course is
available on pubmed--and is generally mis-interpreted or twisted at
whale.to. As--if you had actually done the research you claim--you
would certainly have found out.

.Feel free to prove me wrong, but
I know you won't. You are either A - too lazy to do so or B - mentally
incapable.

Er, are you, in fact, john? No-one else, save Jan Drew, who doesn't
operate with a full complement of brain cells, has ever tried to claim
the site is reliable before, as far as I know. For obvious reasons.

Reasons so obvious you can't even take the time to show everyone?

But I have.

think the only obviousness in this debate is your sheer lack of
credibility... and who you must be working for.

Ah, the PeterB argument. Says it all.


As for finding reliable information on vaccination and other health
issues, I refer you to pubmed. You can read all of the published data
there, without john's maniacal, filthy lies.

As I said, feel free to use pubmed or any other reputable site to
disprove the data on www.whale.to

Why would I visit such a notoriously unreliable source of lies and
disinformation again? If you want to take your info from such an
obviously biased and dishonest source that is entirely up to you, but
don't expect anyone else to take you seriously. Except Jan, of course.
Lucky you.

You see, I've already spent
literally months worth of hours reading about most of the vaccines my
children "need." I've used the CDC, pubmed, jama, ajcn and many
others... including whale.to. The fact is, if you want to get to the
bottom of something, you have to be fully willing to look at all sides
of the issue. I have done so, you obviously have not.

So, after all your research, you decided john was to be commended for
stating that vaccination is used to kill malnourished children? Hm.
Somewhat lacking in research skills, aren't you Max?


The GREAT thing about this is that we're posting in an alternative news
group. When future readers see your position with absolutely no data
to support it, and they see John's position with literally TONS of data
supporting it, most of them will write you off as the pharma-pushing
peddler you are.

And again--if someone doesn't think that malnourished kids are being
vaccinated to kill them and that a site promoting such a view is
obviously biased beyond belief--they must be being paid by someone
else.

You're not too bright, are you, Max?



Ain't the internet great!?

Oh, yeah--it lets someone like you embarrass themselves publicly,
without even noticing it.

There are none so blind...



Max.

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