Re: More than 75% of Americans are calcium deficient


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Our resident pharma bloggers say I use that term only to describe those
I disagree with, but here (once again) I'll prove them wrong. I have
to disagree in the strongest terms possible with this article. In
China, where daily intake of calcium is roughly 300mg, osteoporosis is
virtually unknown, despite the absence of supplemental calcium and more
than minimal access to dairy. The USDA promotion of 1,000 - 1,200mg
calcium daily appears to be the product of dairy industry influence,
and it is *causing*, not preventing disease. If 400-500mg of calcium
is being lost daily to urinary excretion, adding 1,200mg of calcium is
simply going to increase the volume of loss. That's no way to treat or
prevent disease. Clinical data show that 3mg of boron daily prevents
loss of essential calcium, so if people are losing large amounts of
calcium, they should look at their overall levels of nutrient intake,
and modify their diets to provide balance, using supplements sparingly.
We can also look at this genetically. Our ancestors (those we are
gentically identical with) had no access to dairy, and no access to
supplements. They also expended enormous amounts of energy foraging
for plant and animal foods, and they didn't eat well on a daily basis.
While we can't know how much calcium they were ingesting on a daily
basis, it's safe to assume that levels made possible by use of dairy,
supplements, and abundant food access are creating a large disparity in
favor of excess. I doubt our ancestors had intake of calcium higher
than 500mg daily. Also remember that a synergist-antagonist
relationship exists between ALL nutrients. Mega-dosing upsets the
natural balance of nutrients to one another, unless you supplement all
of them in correspondingly large amounts. This can result in the very
diseases you are trying to prevent. Excess calcium, for instance, can
have the *same* effect as too little calcium, due to its antagonist
relationship to magnesium. A food study I did also contradicts the
widely held view that calcium should be taken in a ratio to magnesium
of 2:1. Regardless whether you are vegan, vegetarian, or a meat eater,
a wide selection of natural foods in relative proportions shows the
ratio should be .85:1, meaning slightly LESS calcium is required than
magnesium. So when you read an article proclaiming that 75% of
Americans are calcium deficient simply because most Americans don't
consume the recommended (but scientifically unproven) 1,200mg of
calcium daily, you need to ask yourself who is promoting that idea, and
why.

PeterB


Sorry PeterB but I'm going to go with the surgeon-general on this one.
As they say, the effects of osteoporosis don't necessarily show up until
it
is too late.

That doesn't mean taking more calcium is the answer. If it were,
osteoporosis in the US would be one of the lowest-risk populations in
the world. Studies have even shown that osteoporosis is highest in
dairy-producing regions and communities.

Vernon is wrong too and the surgeon general is right - such a wise
fellow.

I might trust a "wise" fellow if he demonstrates respect for a wide
spectrum of data and applies some critical thinking to his argument.
You should always weigh opposing views. Read the work of Dr. John
McDougall, if you want to hear what a thinking man has to say about the
subject.

See his report at
http://www.calciuminfo.com/pdf/SG_2004_BoneHealthReport.pdf

If it has been determined that 75% of people don't get enough calcium,
who
am I to argue with that?

It hasn't been "determined," it's been promoted. Vernon is right that
magnesium deficiency is a much bigger problem.

But of course the other cellsalts are necessary too to keep it in
balance.

And calcium does more than just build bones, it detoxifies from
environmental pollutants and is the antidote for sodium fluoride
poisoning
amongst other things. Maybe China doesn't have so much pollution as the
west?

In proper ratio to all other nutrients, calcium is valuable. Out of
proper ratio, it can cause the very diseases you hope to prevent. Let
food be your guide.

L. Ron Hubbard used the cal-mag formula in his purification rundown to
eliminate drugs and environmental toxins from the body. I think you've
lost
the argument.

Many nutrients participate in effective removal of waste and toxins.
But they only work well in their natural ratios.

Peter


The "cal-mag" was calcium carbonate and magnesium at a 2:1 ratio.
The body assimilates about 10% of that calcium carbonate and 60% of that
magnesium.

It can also depend on individual age and biochemistry. I've seen data
showing that carbonate assimilates at around 35% in adults, virtually
the same as any other form of calcium. Commonly used magnesium oxide,
however, is not well absorbed at all (probably around 10%.) Magnesium
aspartate, orotate, or glycinate could very well get above 50%, but
they are rarely found (due to expense) in combination products.

So 1500 plus 750 is really 150 plus 450. Don't tell anyone though. It will
spoil their little wonderland.
Surgeon general? Smoking MAY be harmful. That was after being pounded. Of
course the surgeon general is not a political assignee. he he he he he

The combo is also highly alkaline.

.

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