Re: Peter Moran admits he's never had it happen to him


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Peter Moran wrote:
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But, OK, let me give a provisional yes. Now what?


I don't understand...what do you mean by "provisional?" This isn't a
theoretical question..

Peter Moran: It IS a theoretical question. It has never happened to me.
So, what now?

Peter, it is a hypothetical question, not a theoretical one. So what
you do now is quite simple...you answer the question. It's not a hard
question: do you pick up the phone to find out more, or do you let it
pass?

It is extremely rude for those hiding behind anonymity to use my name in
such a subject heading. But I am quite happy for everything about ME
to
be out in the open, so ---

You sign your name to everything, but you find it rude to have what you
say publicized??

My experience told me to be sure of the facts concerning any alternative
claim, especially those being presented at third or fourth hand by
people
not prepared to stake their own reputations on what they say or support.

This not obviously a "real" case, despite what you have been asserting..

It most certainly is a real case. Dr. Brenner, FACR, wrote about it in
his own words. So would you have tried to find out more after being
stunned by the sight of a bone mets patient in remission?

Have you answered my last question to you? I repeat it here ---

Yes I did, and you ignored most of it and tried to discredit the rest
of it without any evidence.

For those not following the discussion on another newsgroup, here is how the
discussion evolved on my side.--

But your version of the story claims that it was the remission of a patient
with bone metastases from lung cancer who first led Brenner to look into
Revici's cases. Why would he talk about a less convincing case to the OTA?

You see, this is why those with cancer cure claims need to publish their
results themselves, as a signal for the cases to be independently examined
and confirmed if genuine. No one is obliged to accept supporters' or
journalists' or your anonymous third or fourth hand accounts of what these
patients were like. I have no idea how critically you have looked at these
cases or indeed what your capacity is to do so.

I have been there and done that with Gerson's "famous" fifty cases at
http://members.bordernet.com.au/~pmoran/cancer/Gerson.htm , which took
hours of my time, but ended up reaching the same conclusion as others before
me. I am sure the same issues would arise with Revici. He was of the same
vintage. He would share the same atavistic middle European backwardness in
relation to good science that applied early last century. He had similar
very naive and *still* unsupported views of the nature of cancer, which
remains another of the hurdles Revici has yet to overcome..

I remain prepared to look at the evidence for claims that otherwise
incurable cancer can be cured, but not without reliable case histories,
biopsy results and other tests in my hands, or otherwise reliably verified..
Another function of the intention to publish results is to force the
claimant to document and follow-up their patients well.

So far, when the facts are checked, "alternative" case histories and
testimonials too often fail to stand up to close examination, or the "good"
cases remain too few to be obviously due to the treatment rather than the
many other reasons why cancer sometimes doesn't behave as expected.

Peter Moran

www.cancerwatcher.com






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