Re: A Faulty Medical Model: The Germ Theory


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Which surprises me that dieticians consider it a valid source of
dietary
sodium.

Yes Carole, it's a valid source of sodium because there is sodium in it.


Yes, but iron filings aren't a legitimate form of iron, despite the fact
they're iron.

Setting up a strawman Carole? Your claim was that table salt was not a
valid source of dietary sodium because it's inorganic. I've just shown
you that organic/ inorganic has nothing to do with being a valid dietary
source or not for antyhing. Your own precious cellsalts are inorganic by
definition, and they are a great dietary sources for all kinds of
things, aren't they? And table salt contains both sodium and chloride in
a form that can be absorbed by the body, so it is a legitamate source of
sodium.

Ok, so minerals don't have to be organic.
But table salt doesn't alleviate any of the deficiency symptoms that
homeopathic sodium chloride or nat mur does. I was just trying to figure out
why. Here are a couple of links which say that sodium has to be organic.

Organic sodium differs from table salt (sodium chloride)
http://www.euroamericanhealth.com/how.html
By Dennis L. Myers, M.D.
see "ACIDITY" FOR FULL ARTICLE
Sodium from a plant for example, is much different than the sodium from
table salt. For the basis of this discussion it would be best to assume that
they are not the same at all.
You can eat all the table salt you want and the cells themselves can still
be sodium or base deficient. The sodium used for building cells has to be
organic, from plants and it is the main base mineral we have because there
is so much of it.
Sodium chloride or table salt serves an entirely different function in the
body.

Salt and Sodium article
by Healthyguy
http://www.healthy1.org/199908_salt.htm
Are you slowly losing your eyesight or hearing as you age? Do you seem to be
experiencing erectile dysfunction, prostate difficulties, or other organ and
sexually related problems as you grow older? Well, it may be related to your
salt consumption.
A slow deterioration of eyesight, hearing, prostate problems, erectile
dysfunction, and premature aging are all problems related to smoking,
however if you don't smoke and are still experiencing some of these problems
as you grow older, you might want to examine your salt consumption. Smoking
destroys the elasticity of the arterial walls throughout the entire body and
restricts blood flow through the smaller capillaries causing an eventual
deterioration of the eyesight, hearing, prostate, and subsequent erectile
dysfunction due to an abundance of free radicals1 from constituents of the
gas phase of tobacco smoke2 which are deposited on the arteries. This
creates serious problems throughout the body and especially to life
sustaining organs due to diminished blood flow and lack of oxygen.
Salt also destroys the elasticity of arteries and capillaries just as
smoking does except that salt is a totally different constituent. The common
name for the damage which salt does to the arteries is hardening of the
arteries, and it will ultimately cause a stroke and possible death when an
artery eventually becomes too brittle and breaks from the hardening effect
that is taking place.
This damage to the arteries is very similar to the tobacco smoke damage.
When arteries lack the proper elasticity, blood has a difficult time getting
into the capillaries, the small thin-walled vessels, in route to a healthy
organ because efficient blood flow is dependent upon proper expansion and
contraction of arteries and capillaries. The organ becomes even more
effected when the size of the artery decreases due to excessive salt or free
radical deposits on the arterial walls. The blood flow through the
capillaries diminishes causing deterioration of the eyes, hearing, prostate,
and sexual organs. The results can be devastating if an organ cannot get
proper blood flow.
The process of aging is directly correlated to the condition of the
arteries.3 Deposits from salt and other free radicals form on the arterial
walls and are a major contributor to aging. Keeping the arteries clean is
the key to longevity and good health. You have probably been told that you
need salt for your body or that a little bit of salt will not hurt you.
Well, the truth is that you don't need salt at all. You need sodium! So why
all the confusion about needing salt in your diet?
It is like this. Sodium is an important mineral in the body as it is
responsible for sending the message from the brain to muscles through the
nervous system so that your body will move its muscles on command. When you
want to move your arm or any muscle in the body, the brain sends a message
to a sodium molecule who passes it to a potassium molecule and then back to
a sodium molecule etc., etc., until it gets to its final destination and the
muscle moves. This is known as the sodium-potassium ion exchange. Therefore
without sodium, you would never be able to move one muscle of your body.
Regardless, it is not common table salt that the body needs in order to
sustain life. It is sodium. Sodium just happens to be an element in common
table salt which is known as sodium chloride and that is where the confusion
exists. Therefore, salt is not a necessary compound in order for the body to
survive, but rather sodium is the necessary life sustaining element.
Ironically, sodium is found in all plants so you are getting plenty of
sodium everyday without even realizing it every time you eat a food that
comes from a plant.
Studies by the Department of Medicine at the Medical College of Wisconsin
have shown4 that blood pressure is not increased by a high sodium intake
unless it is accompanied by chloride. Common table salt being sodium
chloride, therefore, actually destroys life rather than sustains it as we
are led to believe. Are you addicted to certain foods because they appear to
taste so good? Well, they may be loaded with common table salt.
Bertino, Beauchamp, and Engleman5 have shown that the amount of salt
preferred is dependent on the amount of salt consumed. In other words, if
you are used to eating high amounts of salt, you will be more likely to
choose other foods for your diet which are high in salt. The types of food
you choose may be entirely dependent on the amount of salt you are
consuming.
Food appears to taste better with salt, but it is only an illusion. It is
the salt you like and not the food. Have you ever noticed how much more of a
certain type of food you will eat when it contains just the right amount of
salt? You are convinced that it tastes delicious, but it is only the
inclusion of just the right amount of salt that tricks the brain into
believing that the food tastes better. Does the food actually taste better
or is it just that you like the taste of common table salt? After all, it's
no secret that salted food tastes better. The million dollar question is,
"Do you really want to include common table salt, a substance that slowly
destroys the body over time, in your diet everyday and never give your body
a break from it?
It can take as long as two to four days to get all the salt out your body
but the first thing you will notice is that your extremities, your hands and
feet, will become thinner. You will instantly realize just how swollen your
extremities become from including salt in your diet everyday.
How do you know if you are eating too much salt? Under normal conditions, if
you become very thirsty after a delicious meal, chances are that meal
contained large amounts of salt. By this time the salt has already entered
every cell in your body because salt molecules are smaller than the hole in
the cell wall and will literally pull water into the cell. Salt molecules
essentially become trapped within the cell and osmosis causes the cells to
swell, taking water away from other parts of the body, and making you
thirsty until you drink enough water so that equilibrium is established and
there is the same amount of water on the outside of the cell as there is on
the inside. This is the process of osmosis that takes place inside the body
when you consume table salt.
Cheese is an excellent example of how the brain can be easily tricked. It is
difficult to stop eating cheese with only one bite because it tastes so
good. However, have you ever eaten saltless cheese? I guarantee that you
will not want a second bite of saltless cheese unless you have previously
acquired a taste for it. It is extremely bitter and something you would
definitely have to acquire a taste for in order to enjoy it. Another example
is butter or margarine. Try using saltless butter or margarine on your
toast. You will find out that your toast is absolutely tasteless, and you
will realize how you have been tricked all your life. So if you are addicted
to salt without knowing it, there is hope.
Once you are eventually aware of your high salt intake, you can then create
change. Your preferred salt level can be lowered simply by reducing your
overall salt intake.5 In other words, your taste buds can easily adapt to
changes if you give them a chance. Restricting salt exposure for 8-12 weeks6
enhances the normal taste of foods and lowers your preferred salt level.
Foods extremely high in salt include cheese, butter, margarine, chips, ham,
mustard, ketchup, mayonnaise, salsa, soy sauce, canned, and packaged foods.
You might have found yourself saying, "I don't ever salt my food." Well,
when you're able, read the label. Start looking at the ingredients of all
the foods you eat, and you may just find that common table salt is in
everything you eat. If it tastes too good to be true, you can bet it's the
salt.
Getting your sodium from plants rather than from common table salt is one of
the better choices you can make. It has been demonstrated that sodium from
plants will not cause high blood pressure. Not only does common table salt,
sodium chloride, cause high blood pressure7 and hardening of the arteries,
but it also causes unnecessary swelling in every cell of the body and
overworks the heart. Getting minerals, like sodium, from plants will help
keep your arteries young and elastic. Your blood will flow more efficiently
helping to rejuvenate your life sustaining organs, and your sense of smell
will improve significantly.
Reduction of table salt will assist in prolonging your health, well being,
and reduce the risk of strokes which are associated with high levels of
common table salt. If you are concerned with longevity and good health,
limiting the amount of common table salt in your diet is one of the better
choices you can make in your lifetime in order to maintain a healthy and
youthful body inside and out.
REFERENCES
1. & 2. Eiserich, J.P., van der Vliet, A., Handelman, G.J., Halliwell, B.,
and Cross, C: Dietary antioxidants and cigarette smoke-induced biomolecular
damage: a complex interaction, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol
62, 1490S-1500S, 1995.
3. Cutler, RG: Antioxidants and aging. American Journal of Clinical
Nutrition, Vol 53, 373S-379S, 1991.
4. Kotchen, TA and Kotchen, JM: Dietary sodium and blood pressure:
interactions with other nutrients. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition,
Vol 65, 708S-711S, 1997.
5. Bertino, M., Beauchamp, G.K., and Engelman, K: Long-term reduction in
dietary sodium alters the taste of salt. American Journal of Clinical
Nutrition, Vol 36, 1134-1144, 1982.
6. Mattes, RD:The taste for salt in humans. American Journal of Clinical
Nutrition, Vol 65, 692S-697S, 1997.
7. Sacks, Frank M., et.al.:Effects on Blood Pressure of Reduced Dietary
Sodium and the Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension (DASH) Diet. New
England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 344, No. 1, January 4, 2001.





Which is, as you now know, by definition inorganic. And 'inorganic' has
nothing to do with whether the body can use it or not. Using your new
knowledge on chemistry, you can now also see that calcium is inorganic,
as are all your cellsalts, since there is no carbon in them. But again,
that has absolutely nothing to do with whether body can use or not, and
whether it's benificial or not.

It is your "newly disseminated knowledge", not my newly found knowledge.

You've obviously read it, it's knowledge that you very obviously didn't
have before, so you have found new knowledge. Don't you find learning
new things exciting Carole? I know I do. Or are you someone who already
has all the answers?

Its just that knowing if something has carbon in it or not, doesn't really
do anything for me.
Thanks for the information although it doesn't help much because if minerals
don't have to be in organic form and sodium chloride is one of the 12
essential cellsalts, why doesn't table salt work? And it doesn't work, but I
wouldn't expect you to know this since you have no experience with cellsalts
and what they can or cannot do.


It certainly doesn't work as a cellsalts which is what I go by and
I've taken cellsalts to treat various sodium deficiencies for years.

How did you know you were sodium deficient at the time? Did you measure
your sodium levels before and after? And how did you do that? Or was it
the same method by which you 'measured' your blood acidity - with your
imagination?

A person such as yourself who has been trained in a dumbed down
Rockefeller
medical school of disinformation, gets around 6 hours training in
nutrition

It's been explained to you more then once that isn't true. You've lied
to about that Carole.

I must have missed the explanations but I do recall posts confirming that
amount of training.



in a 3/4 year course. I wouldn't expect you to know anything meaningful
about nutrition.

No reply to my question. So you just imagined that you were sodium
deficient.

No, I don't determine if I am sodium deficient by taking blood samples and
doing an analysis on them.
I work it out by monitoring deficiency symptoms - such as knotted muscles,
headache or other symptoms.


If you had, several times, measured your sodium levels when
experiencing certain symptoms so you could from that experience say that
when you notice symptom X, you're sodium deficient, I would say you
might have a point. But it's now clear you're just making it up. And you
can't say that "but I take extra sodium and it goes away so I was sodium
deficient" either, because without measuring, you can't know if the
sodium you take is even absorbed. Maybe your just peeing it out as fast
as you take it in. You just can't possibly know without checking Carole.

Measuring might not do any good because the sodium deficiency might not be
in the blood but in the tissues.

Does calcium deficiency show up in the blood, or in the bones? A person can
have a massive calcium deficiency in the bones from years of not taking
enough calcium, but on the day they take a test, if they ingest a large dose
of calcium, their blood content would be normal.
So blood tests aren't reliable.

And why would I want to go and pay for a blood test that might cost me $50
or more, that proves very little. And even if I did do a test, you could say
it proved nothing because of some other reason. Forget it. You go and take a
blood test and see if you aren't sodium deficient.


Carole
http://www.cellsalts.net


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