Re: The Cure for Heart Disease Has Been Known For Many Years


cathyb wrote:
PeterB wrote:
cathyb wrote:
PeterB wrote:
cathyb wrote:
PeterB wrote:
mogwaii wrote:
Way beyond interesting Peter. Although I've read some on Rath this is
the first time I've read WHY his protocal works. It appears from recent
studies he was/is indeed correct. As to biggest blunders of mankind I
put this right up with "forgetting" silver has antimicrobial
properties. unbelievable greed or worse. add codex to this equation in
which they don't even allow their citizens to to use this protocal !?!
Very disturbing so say the least.

On a lighter note, have any idea why they do this? antimicrobial?
The overwhelming majority of plants and animals make large amounts of
ascorbic acid.

People underestimate what ascorbate does, and misunderstand it's
relationship to other nutrients, at so many levels. This is the most
important chemical to all life on the planet. It should never have
been called a vitamin. Ascorbic acid is the redux agent necessary for
conversion of hydrogen to oxygen

Now that is an agent I'd love to see. "Redux"? Conversion of hydrogen
to oxygen, you say? You've been looking at loon sites again, haven't
you?

Correcting the typo: Redox. It refers to a reducing agent. The
active form of vitamin c (ascorbic acid) is a reducing agent in
numerous catalytic processes in biochemistry. You might try reading a
book.

I don't need to for this Petey. I already know what redox means, and it
does not refer to a reducing agent. We have the term "reducing agent"
for that.It is an reduction-oxidation reaction; high school chemistry,
Petey. I suggest you look up the terms oxidation and reduction, since
you clearly don't understand either of them.

You're grandstanding, as usual. The reducing agent catalyzes the redox
and can't occur without it, consequently what's important is that
vitamin C is the catalyst, thus my reference to vitamin C for its
critical role in that process.

Petey you halfwit, vitamin C is indeed a reducing agent, but what it is
not is a catalyst for converting hydrogen into oxygen.

Ascorbic acid does liberate oxygen from hydrogen, however; otherwise,
cellular respiration could not occur.

You want to play "gotcha" and that's
fine, but I'm here to discuss health and the importance of nutrients in
prevention and cure of disease. To make this simple (just for you), go
to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redox. You might observe the statement
below the term "Redox," at the top of the page, stating that "
'Reduced' redirects here." You might even try reading the actual
discussion that follows, if you can bear to be away from mha and your
bloodsport long enough.

Oh, Petey, you sad little git. You demonstrated a lack of knowledge of
chemistry that Wikipedia is grossly inadequate to help you out with.

Wikipedia, however, is light years ahead of you.

Funny how when you make these ridiculous errors, others are playing
"gotcha" for pointing it out, but when someone else makes any sort of
error, you can harp on it forever.

I know, you're ticked because I keep bringing up your inability to read
little charts with numbers. Don't blame me because you can't read
charts.

Even though, Petey, others can
graciously admit their errors, while you just dig yourself deeper and
deeper.

As I've said, your errors completely destroy the premise of your own
arguements, which isn't my fault. Don't blame me because mine don't
have the same effect.


At least you're utterly unashamed by your lack of chemistry, I suppose.
This one puts you right up there with Carole.

I have no problem admitting that Pauling said it better:

No, Pauling said an utterly different thing.

No, he didn't. Pauling knew (as did Albert Szent-Gyorgi who received a
nobel prize for his own work with vitamin C in <a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=human%20physiology"; onmouseover="window.status='human physiology'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">human physiology</a>), that
cellular respiration could not occur without the redox of hydrogen.
All life on planet earth owes its existence to the liberation of oxygen
from that process.

Yes, Petey, he did. I know it's embarrassing for you, but the
involvement of vitamin C in cellular metabolism is not to er, convert
hydrogen into oxygen, and Pauling would certainly have known that, even
if you don't.

The liberation of oxygen, providing for cellular respiration, and
catalyzed by ascorbic acid is well known; without it, you could not
live.


"The ways in
which ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) functions in the human body relate
first to the fact that it engages on both sides of the universal
oxidation-reduction reaction that subtracts or adds hydrogen atoms to a
molecule. Vitamin C is readily oxidized to dehydroascorbic acid by the
surrender, to oxidizing agents, of the two hydrogen atoms..."

Which is not within a million miles of saying "Ascorbic acid is the
redux (sic) agent necessary for conversion of hydrogen to oxygen." Even
someone with no knowledge of chemistry at all (you) should be able to
figure that out.

Bullshit. The word "conversion" I used simply because it's easier to
understand, not to describe the chain of exchange between atoms and
molecules.

Oh, that really is bullshit. Petey, vitamin C does not turn hydrogen
into oxygen via any chain of electron exchange, or indeed "chain of
exchange between atoms and molecules" and despite your hysterical
denials, Pauling didn't say it did, and you did. Nor is it true that
"we don't even breathe without it.":)

Without cellular respiration, you might find breathing difficult. Just
as importantly, vitamin C is the cure for most heart disease.

For someone who misquotes and butchers science as much as
you do, I wouldn't be so quick to critique the verbage of others.

O hypocrisy, thy name is evidently PeteyB

I'll stack my record up against a liar such as yourself any day.

What's important is that without vitamin C respiration, and many other
biochemical reactions, would not be possible.

I assume you meant life would not be possible? Well that's possible,
Petey, but it isn't the stupid thing you actually said.

If you were not here to attack and obfuscate, you would be discussing
the value of vitamin C in human health. Instead, you promote disease
and death on behalf of yours sponsors. You should be ashamed of
yourself.

You misunderstood totally, and implied, no stated, that without
vitamin C producing oxygen out of hydrogen, we wouldn't be able to
breathe. Let's just see it again:

"Ascorbic acid is the redux (sic) agent necessary for conversion of
hydrogen to oxygen, so we don't even breathe without it."

Someone with even the most basic knowledge of chemistry, or indeed
biology would not have written anything so utterly ridiculous.

Without cellular respiration, multi-cellular life, and your ancestors,
would never have existed. If you want to try an experiment to prove
this, eliminate all vitamin C from your diet and get back to me in six
months or a year. You might want to let the cat out first.


Let me put it more clearly: vitamin C losing hydrogen atoms to an
oxidizing agent is not "conversion of hydrogen to oxygen", which is an
utterly ridiculous phrase with absolutely no meaning.

You're ridiculous and with no meaning, it hasn't stopped you.

Oh, bless Petey. You really don't like being caught in an error, do
you? Especially one that makes you look as ignorant as this.

I could never look as ignorant as you, but then, that's been obvious
for some time.


But why should we listen to a nobel prize winner when cathyb is here to
set the record straight?

In this instance Petey, the Nobel prize winner is not being put
straight. You are.

Hardly.

Oh, yes Petey. By the way, your quoting someone else and then
pretending I'd criticised what they wrote rather than your own
ill-educated rubbish was outstanding, even from you.

Note to reader: consult the original papers of Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
and decide for yourself whether ascorbic acid is not fundamental to
cellular respiration, which requires liberation of oxygen to support
life. Cathy is a disinformation media grunt here on behalf of
industry; her goal is to detract from the ability of nutrients to treat
and cure disease. It's great to see people here with a genuine
interest in natural medicine, who know that people like cathy offer
nothing but negativity and disease. It's all about consumer rights and
access to natural supplements, which is under attack by our respective
legislatures (read: industry-sponsored political assets and so-called
health agencies) at the international and nation-state levels. See the
Alliance for Natural Health (ANH) on the web for more information.


If you don't want to make a fool of yourself, only read stuff by
Pauling (a brilliant chemist, by the way) that you are capable of
understanding, because he'd be spinning in his grave to think that even
a halfwit like you had gleaned "Ascorbic acid is the redux (sic) agent
necessary for conversion of hydrogen to oxygen" from his writings. Or
that it made you think we can't breathe if vitamin C isn't being
producing oxygen from hydrogen for us.

Obviously, you don't have a clue. Nothing new.

Oh, I do Petey. Pauling really would have been gobsmacked by your utter
lack of understanding here. As am I, by your attempt to weasel out of
just saying you got it wrong.

yawn.



In addition to your stated wish that those
who decline to vaccinate burn in hell, you have advised that 3,000,000
children contracted measles the year before vaccine was introduced.
*chuckles*

Ah, I see having made another egregrious error, you're lying about my
views on those who decline to vaccinate, and bringing up the
long-ago-admitted error on the numbers of measles cases in a given
year; you seem to do this every time you make a dick of yourself. What
a pity it's the only error you can come up with.

There are errors in everything you post, in terms of both content and
motive. Unfortunately, I only have 24 hours in a day.

Poor Petey. It must hurt that you can't come up with anything other
then a simple error picking up a number. Everyone else has gold like
this to think of when considering your errors, and you constantly
provide us with more.

*LOL* Brilliant effort, cathy! Maybe someone will finally believe one
of the periods at the end of one of your sentences.


, so we don't even breathe without it.
It existed long before multi-cellular life, long before other
nutrients, and long before hominids were thinking about their diets.
Mainstream medicine's ridicule of vitamin C is like poking one's finger
into the eye of god. Millions have died sooner than they would have as
a result.

Of asphyxiation, because of all that hydrogen not miraculously turning
into oxygen? How sad.

If your sponsors were capable of duplicating the function of vitamin C
using a drug, it would indeed be a miracle. I suppose you aren't aware
that this was attempted. How about providing details on the outcome of
that experiment?

I don't have any sponsors, bless your little <a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=cotton%20socks"; onmouseover="window.status='cotton socks'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">cotton socks</a>. And that
paragraph doesn't really cut it as a diversion from your stupidity,
either.

Cathy declines to pull this bit of history from her playbook. You see,
that's because she has nothing to gain and everything to lose by going
there.

Rather, you are sad -- but I digress (as usual when referring to you.)

Still convinced hydrogen is turned into oxygen by vitamin C Petey? That
really is sad.

I doubt anyone beleives even the punctuation in your sentences at this
point. Bless.

Gosh, Petey, that sort of thing makes you look so clever (LOL). What a
pity you spoil the effect by pontificating on things you know nothing
about and producing bullshit like ""Ascorbic acid is the redux (sic)
agent necessary for conversion of hydrogen to oxygen, so we don't even
breathe without it."

Feel free to eliminate all ascorbate from your diet and get back to us
before the end of the year. I hope you won't mind if I continue
popping my 500mg per day.

Cheers. :)))

PeterB

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