Re: The Many LIES of REPEATED Liar, Rich Shewmaker


"Mark Probert" <markprobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote

[snip diversion and LIE]

> JanD wrote:
>> The MANY LIES OF REPEAETED LIAR, RICH SHEWMAKER
>>
>> ADD ANOTHER FOR CHANGING THE TITLE, AGAIN

The MANY LIES OF REPEAETED LIAR, RICH SHEWMAKER

ADD ANOTHER FOR CHANGING THE TITLE, AGAIN

"Rich" <joshew@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "JanD" <JanD@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> The Many LIES of REPEATED Liar, Rich Shewmaker
>>
>> Add another for changing the title!
>>
>> "Rich" <joshew@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "JanD" <JanD@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>> news:L4otf.660975$x96.69515@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> The MANY LIES on Quackwatch that LIAR Rich Shewmaker posts EVERY TIME
>>>> he posts, making him a REPEATED LIAR.
>>>
>>> Many?
>>
>> Yes many.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stephen Barrett LIES on his LYING websites:
>>>>
>>>> *Alternative therapy" is a marketing term that should not be
>>>> permitted.*
>>>
>>> This is an opinion. It is therefore not a lie.
>>
>> should not be permitted is a LIE.
>
> No, simpleton, it's an opinion.

A ARROGANT dictatorship opinion

Nice to see you admit that YOU do agree others do NOT have the right to
chose their own health health care options.

Perhaps you need to move OUT of the United States!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> *While a few of those so accredited are naive physicians, most are
>>>> nonmedical persons who only play
>>>> at being doctor and use this certification as an umbrella for a host of
>>>> unproven New Age hokum treatments.
>>>
>>> This is true In context, it referred to acupuncture licensure. There
>>> are, indeed, many people who are licensed acupuncturists who sell a
>>> plethora of other quackery inder the umbrella of their acupuncture
>>> practice. If you don't believe this, check out the free newspaper or
>>> whatever advertizing outlet the "alternative" practitioners in your area
>>> are using.
>>
>> It is NOT true. It IS in context. The entire paragraph IS a LIE.
>
> Tell us, in your own words, just why you believe that there are not many
> acupuncturists who do exactly this. Chiropractors, too, for that matter.
>
> Easy and simply. I have been to both. Neither have used any *quackery*,
> none have sold any
such thing as a *plethora* under the umbrella* of anything. The whole thing
is just another MADE UP LIE.
>
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, a few HMOs, hospitals, and
>>>> even medical schools are succumbing to the bait and exposing patients
>>>> to
>>>> such bogus treatments when they need real medical care*
>>>>
>>>> The National Council Against Health Fraud has concluded:
>>>>
>>>> a.. Acupuncture is an unproven modality of treatment
>>>>
>>>> That clearly is a LIE!!!!!
>
> The clincher is that even if your cut-and-paste proved acupuncture 100%
> effective for back pain and headache (which it doesn't), it is STILL an
> unproven modality of treatment for the myriad of diseases that
> acupuncturists undertake to treat. So the statement continues to be true.
> It's an unproven modality.
>
> There is no lie,

I repeat, that clearly is a LIE!!

[diversions + usual insults snipped]
>
> There is no lie in Barrett's statements, and all the cut and paste in the
> world will not "prove" otherwise.

W R O N G!

http://tinyurl.com/8qeg3

Zhongguo Zhen Jiu. 2005 Feb;25(2):147-50.Related Articles, Links


[Advances of clinical studies of acupuncture and moxibustion for treatment
of rheumatoid arthritis]

[Article in Chinese]

Suzuki S, Tian W, Li XW.

College of Acupuncture and Moxibustion, Beijing University of TCM, Beijing
100029, China. md_satoshi@xxxxxxxxxxx

OBJECTIVE: To summarize recent development of studies on acupuncture and
moxibustion for prevention and treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, so as to
provide a basis and thinking for clinical scientific studies. METHODS: More
than 60 papers about clinical and experimental studies were reviewed,
choosing clinically commonly-used acupoints and introducing mainly different
therapeutic methods.

**** RESULTS: Acupuncture and moxibustion

****can prevent and

***cure*****

rheumatoid arthritis with outstanding results.

CONCLUSION: Acupuncture and moxibustion have vast vistas for treatment of
rheumatoid arthritis.

PMID: 16312903 [PubMed - in process]

http://tinyurl.com/8caw5

Acupuncture for overactive bladder: a randomized controlled trial.

Emmons SL, Otto L.

Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Oregon Health and Science
University, Portland, 97239, USA. emmonss@xxxxxxxx

OBJECTIVE: To compare acupuncture treatment for overactive bladder with urge
incontinence with a placebo acupuncture treatment. METHODS: Eighty-five
women enrolled in this randomized, placebo-controlled trial. Women were
randomly assigned to either receive an acupuncture treatment expected to
improve their bladder symptoms, or a placebo acupuncture treatment designed
to promote relaxation. They underwent cystometric testing, completed a 3-day
voiding diary, and completed the urinary distress inventory and incontinence
impact questionnaire, validated quality-of-life inventories, before and
after 4 weekly acupuncture treatments. The primary endpoint was number of
incontinent episodes over 3 days. Secondary endpoints included voiding
frequency and urgency, cystometric bladder capacity, maximum voided volume,
and the urinary distress inventory and incontinence impact questionnaire
symptom scores. RESULTS: Seventy-four women completed all aspects of the
study. Women in both treatment and placebo groups had significant decreases
in number of incontinent episodes (59% for treatment, 40% for placebo)
without a significant difference in the change between the groups. Women in
the treatment group had a 14% reduction in urinary frequency (P = .013), a
30% reduction in the proportion of voids associated with urgency (P = .016),
and a 13% increase in both maximum voided volume and maximum cystometric
capacity (P = .01). Both groups also had an improvement in the urinary
distress inventory and incontinence impact questionnaire scores (54%
decrease for treatment, 30% decrease for placebo, P < .001 for the
difference in change between the groups). CONCLUSION: Women who received 4
weekly bladder-specific acupuncture treatments had significant improvements
in bladder capacity, urgency, frequency, and quality-of-life scores as
compared with women who received placebo acupuncture treatments. LEVEL OF
EVIDENCE: I.
>

>
>
>>>>
>>>> That said, both you and Barrett are liars, there are abstracts proving
>>>> the
>>>> effectiveness of acupuncture, it is now being used in convention
>>>> medicine,
>>>> insurance companies are paying for it
>>>>
>>>> http://rheumatology.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/42/12/1508
>>>>
>>>> Acupuncture for chronic low back pain in older patients: a randomized,
>>>> controlled trial
>>>> C. F. Meng, D. Wang3, J. Ngeow1, L. Lao4, M. Peterson2 and S. Paget
>>>> Departments of Rheumatology, 1Pain Management/Anesthesiology and
>>>> 2Research, Hospital for Special Surgery, New York, NY, 3Department of
>>>> Pain Management/Anesthesiology, New York Hospital and 4Department of
>>>> Complementary Medicine, University of Maryland, MD, USA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Correspondence to: C. F. Meng, Hospital for Special Surgery,
>>>> Rheumatology, 535 E. 70th Street, New York, NY 10021, USA. E-mail:
>>>> mengc@xxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> Objective. To determine if acupuncture is an effective, safe adjunctive
>>>> treatment to standard therapy for chronic low back pain (LBP) in older
>>>> patients.
>>>>
>>>> Methods. The inclusion criteria for subjects were: (i) LBP 12 weeks and
>>>> (ii) age 60 yr; the exclusion criteria were (i) spinal tumour,
>>>> infection or fracture and (ii) associated neurological symptoms. The
>>>> subjects were randomized to two groups. The control group of subjects
>>>> continued their usual care as directed by their physicians, i.e.
>>>> NSAIDs, muscle relaxants, paracetamol and back exercises. Subjects in
>>>> the acupuncture group in addition received biweekly acupuncture with
>>>> electrical stimulation for 5 weeks. Outcome was measured by the
>>>> modified Roland Disability Questionnaire (RDQ) at weeks 0, 2, 6 and 9.
>>>> The primary outcome measure was change in RDQ score between weeks 0 and
>>>> 6.
>>>>
>>>> Results. Fifty-five patients were enrolled, with eight drop-outs.
>>>> Twenty-four subjects were randomized to the acupuncture group and 23
>>>> were randomized to the control group. Acupuncture subjects had a
>>>> significant decrease in RDQ score of 4.1 ± 3.9 at week 6, compared with
>>>> a mean decrease of 0.7 ± 2.8 in the control group (P = 0.001). This
>>>> effect was maintained for up to 4 weeks after treatment at week 9, with
>>>> a decrease in RDQ of 3.5 ± 4.4 from baseline, compared with 0.43 ± 2.7
>>>> in the control group (P = 0.007). The mean global transition score was
>>>> higher in the acupuncture group, 3.7 ± 1.2, indicating greater
>>>> improvement, compared with the score in the control group, 2.5 ± 0.9 (P
>>>> < 0.001). Fewer acupuncture subjects had medication-related
>>>> side-effects compared with the control group.
>>>>
>>>> Conclusions. Acupuncture is an effective, safe adjunctive treatment for
>>>> chronic LBP in older patients.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> KEY WORDS: Acupuncture, Chronic low back pain, Elderly patients,
>>>> Randomized controlled trial.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This article has been cited by other articles: (Search Google Scholar
>>>> for Other Citing Articles)
>>>
>>> Well, that one is not so clear. They excluded people with documented
>>> reasons for back pain, then used the patient's own reports of whether
>>> they were getting better, in a trial that was not double, or even single
>>> blinded.
>>
>> The conclusions are QUITE CLEAR.
>>
>> Conclusions. Acupuncture is an *effective, safe* adjunctive treatment for
>> chronic LBP in older patients
>>
>> But, YOU would NOT know!
>
> The claims are clear. The conclusions are in doubt.

Sorry the word *doubt* does not appear.

>
> By the way, for you who value PERSONAL EXPERIENCE so much, I suffer from
> chronic low back pain myself. (Most nurses my age do.) My sister-in-law is
> a licensed acupuncturist, so several times I've let her poke needles in me
> and electrostimulate them and cook 'em with "moxabustion," and twirl them,
> and they haven't done *** for my back pain, so I don't want to hear any
> more crap from you about how I "would NOT know."

I could care less what you don't want to hear.

Just because, it didn't work for you does NOT mean it doesn't work.

As an aside. The NTI is working worders for many people with migraines. That
is WONDERFUL news. It did not help me. However, UNLIKE you, I certainly do
NOT in any way call it crap. In fact, just yesterday, I stated, GOD BLESS
ALL OF THOSE WHO FOUND RELIEF.

I suggest you follow my example.
>
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/archive/20040823/pubs/cbm/acupuncture.html
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7ajgz
>>>>
>>>> Migraine and tension headache--a complementary and alternative medicine
>>>> approach.
>>>>
>>>> Woolhouse M.
>>>>
>>>> michellewoolho...@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> BACKGROUND: Migraine and tension headache are common--affecting up to
>>>> 10%
>>>> and 40% of the Australian population respectively--and result in
>>>> significant
>>>> reduction in social activities and work capacity for sufferers.
>>>> OBJECTIVE:
>>>> This article considers the evidence for the use of a range of
>>>> complementary
>>>> therapies and treatment in the prevention and management of both
>>>> migraine
>>>> and tension headache. DISCUSSION: Migraine and tension headache can
>>>> have
>>>> many precipitating factors. Considering dietary and environmental
>>>> factors
>>>> complements a migraine/headache consultation. There is evidence for the
>>>> role
>>>> of mind-body approaches, nutritional supplements such as riboflavin and
>>>> magnesium, and acupuncture in the treatment of headache. By using a
>>>> holistic
>>>> approach we may be able to tailor a treatment program that is both
>>>> effective
>>>> and safe.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ahbvy
>>>
>>> This is a review, not a real research study at all.
>>
>> So what?
>
> So it doesn't prove anything.

You LIE

If it did not prove anything, it would not be on Medline.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1: Health Technol Assess. 2005 Aug;9(32):1-126. Related Articles,
>>>> Links
>>>>
>>>> Longer term clinical and economic benefits of offering acupuncture care
>>>> to
>>>> patients with chronic low back pain.
>>>>
>>>> Thomas KJ, Macpherson H, Ratcliffe J, Thorpe L, Brazier J, Campbell M,
>>>> Fitter M, Roman M, Walters S, Nicholl JP.
>>>>
>>>> School of Health and Related Research (ScHARR), University of
>>>> Sheffield, UK.
>>>>
>>>> OBJECTIVES: To test whether patients with persistent non-specific low
>>>> back
>>>> pain, when offered access to traditional acupuncture care alongside
>>>> conventional primary care, gained more long-term relief from pain than
>>>> those
>>>> offered conventional care only, for equal or less cost. Safety and
>>>> acceptability of acupuncture care to patients, and the heterogeneity of
>>>> outcomes were also tested. DESIGN: A pragmatic, two parallel group,
>>>> randomised controlled trial. Patients in the experimental arm were
>>>> offered
>>>> the option of referral to the acupuncture service comprising six
>>>> acupuncturists. The control group received usual care from their
>>>> general
>>>> practitioner (GP). Eligible patients were randomised in a ratio of 2:1
>>>> to
>>>> the offer of acupuncture to allow between-acupuncturist effects to be
>>>> tested. SETTING: Three non-NHS acupuncture clinics, with referrals from
>>>> 39
>>>> GPs working in 16 practices in York, UK. PARTICIPANTS: Patients aged
>>>> 18--65
>>>> years with non-specific low back pain of 4--52 weeks' duration,
>>>> assessed as
>>>> suitable for primary care management by their general practitioner.
>>>> INTERVENTIONS: The trial protocol allowed up to ten individualised
>>>> acupuncture treatments per patient. The acupuncturist determined the
>>>> content
>>>> and the number of treatments according to patient need. MAIN OUTCOME
>>>> MEASURES: The Short Form 36 (SF-36) Bodily Pain dimension (range 0--100
>>>> points), assessed at baseline, and 3, 12 and 24 months. The study was
>>>> powered to detect a 10-point difference between groups at 12 months
>>>> post-randomisation. Cost--utility analysis was conducted at 24 months
>>>> using
>>>> the EuroQoL 5 Dimensions (EQ-5D) and a preference-based single index
>>>> measure
>>>> derived from the SF-36 (SF-6D). Secondary outcomes included the McGill
>>>> Present Pain Index (PPI), Oswestry Pain Disability Index (ODI), all
>>>> other
>>>> SF-36 dimensions, medication use, pain-free months in the past year,
>>>> worry
>>>> about back pain, satisfaction with care received, and safety and
>>>> acceptability of acupuncture care. RESULTS: A total of 159 patients
>>>> were in
>>>> the 'acupuncture offer' arm and 80 in the 'usual care' arm. All 159
>>>> patients
>>>> randomised to the offer of acupuncture care chose to receive
>>>> acupuncture
>>>> treatment, and received an average of eight acupuncture treatments
>>>> within
>>>> the trial. Analysis of covariance, adjusting for baseline score, found
>>>> an
>>>> intervention effect of 5.6 points on the SF-36 Pain dimension [95%
>>>> confidence interval (CI) -1.3 to 12.5] in favour of the acupuncture
>>>> group at
>>>> 12 months, and 8 points (95% CI 0.7 to 15.3) at 24 months. No evidence
>>>> of
>>>> heterogeneity of effect was found for the different acupuncturists.
>>>> Patients
>>>> receiving acupuncture care did not report any serious or
>>>> life-threatening
>>>> events. No significant treatment effect was found for any of the SF-36
>>>> dimensions other than Pain, or for the PPI or the ODI. Patients
>>>> receiving
>>>> acupuncture care reported a significantly greater reduction in worry
>>>> about
>>>> their back pain at 12 and 24 months compared with the usual care group.
>>>> At
>>>> 24 months, the acupuncture care group was significantly more likely to
>>>> report 12 months pain free and less likely to report the use of
>>>> medication
>>>> for pain relief. The acupuncture service was found to be cost-effective
>>>> at
>>>> 24 months; the estimated cost per quality-adjusted (QALY) was pound4241
>>>> (95%
>>>> CI pound191 to pound28,026) using the SF-6D scoring algorithm based on
>>>> responses to the SF-36, and pound3598 (95% CI pound189 to pound22,035)
>>>> using
>>>> the EQ-5D health status instrument. The NHS costs were greater in the
>>>> acupuncture care group than in the usual care group. However, the
>>>> additional
>>>> resource use was less than the costs of the acupuncture treatment
>>>> itself,
>>>> suggesting that some usual care resource use was offset. CONCLUSIONS:
>>>> Traditional acupuncture care delivered in a primary care setting was
>>>> safe
>>>> and acceptable to patients with non-specific low back pain. Acupuncture
>>>> care
>>>> and usual care were both associated with clinically significant
>>>> improvement
>>>> at 12- and 24-month follow-up. Acupuncture care was significantly more
>>>> effective in reducing bodily pain than usual care at 24-month
>>>> follow-up. No
>>>> benefits relating to function or disability were identified. GP
>>>> referral to
>>>> a service providing traditional acupuncture care offers a
>>>> cost-effective
>>>> intervention for reducing low back pain over a 2-year period. Further
>>>> research is needed to examine many aspects of this treatment including
>>>> its
>>>> impact compared with other possible short-term packages of care (such
>>>> as
>>>> massage, chiropractic or physiotherapy), various aspects of
>>>> cost-effectiveness, value to patients and implementation protocols.
>>>>
>>>> PMID: 16095547 [PubMed - in process]
>>>> =================
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7ajgz
>>>
>>> This is the best of these studies, but it still uses patient report
>>> rather than any objective measures, and thus is probably reporting
>>> placebo effect.
>>
>> Acupuncture care was ****significantly more
>> effective******** in reducing bodily pain than usual care at 24-month
>> follow-up.
>
> More effective according to the self-report of the patients. This is the
> very weakest form of evidence. It's subjective, not objective stuff that
> can be measured and quantified.

Another HUGE problem with convention medicine. They treat their patients as
*too stupid to know their own bodies*

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Migraine and tension headache--a complementary and alternative medicine
>>>> approach.
>>>>
>>>> Woolhouse M.
>>>>
>>>> michellewoolho...@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> BACKGROUND: Migraine and tension headache are common--affecting up to
>>>> 10%
>>>> and 40% of the Australian population respectively--and result in
>>>> significant
>>>> reduction in social activities and work capacity for sufferers.
>>>> OBJECTIVE:
>>>> This article considers the evidence for the use of a range of
>>>> complementary
>>>> therapies and treatment in the prevention and management of both
>>>> migraine
>>>> and tension headache. DISCUSSION: Migraine and tension headache can
>>>> have
>>>> many precipitating factors. Considering dietary and environmental
>>>> factors
>>>> complements a migraine/headache consultation. There is evidence for the
>>>> role
>>>> of mind-body approaches, nutritional supplements such as riboflavin and
>>>> magnesium, and acupuncture in the treatment of headache. By using a
>>>> holistic
>>>> approach we may be able to tailor a treatment program that is both
>>>> effective
>>>> and safe.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is the same as the "article" above. It is still just a review, not
>>> an experimental study.
>>
>> So what?
>
> So repeating it is a waste of bandwidth, and evidence that you didn't
> bother to read it, and it still proves nothing.

It's evdience that YOU lie.
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Snip twelve links that may or may not be relevant.]
>>
>> Umm, no, I don't think so, they INDEED prove both YOU and BARRETT to be
>> BLATANT LIARS.
>>
>> And YOU to be a REPEATED LIAR, EVERY TIME YOU POST THE *PROVEN* LYING
>> WEBSITES
>>
>>> (Jan will claim this snipping is dishonest. Anyone else who wants to see
>>> them knows to look upthread for them.)

OOPS, you snipped again, without mentioning it.

A pet peeve of the one you don't give a damn if he lies to me. this
newsgroup,his mother, or the pope.

But you do post his LYING websites.

Even AFTER the LIES there have been PROVEN, and you DENY them, just as you
have denied the ones on Quack Barrett's.


> I'll read and comment on any site you link to, so long as you comment on
> it in your own words first. If it's not worth your time and effort, it's
> not worth mine, either.

Your deals fall flat, just as your past one did. YOU are not capable of
making an honest deal.

Your LIES are all recorded all over the place.

For example, Jan has professed herself to be a Christian many times

Jan Drew is a bigot. She has repeatedly posted slurs against Catholics
and people of color.

There are at least four James Drews in Bloomington, IN.


There are more Jews in New York than there are in Israel.


Jan has stalked people outside of the newsgroup through e-mail and
telephone calls.


CathyB, an Austrailian housewife, mother


I challenge you to participate in a real discussion, back up each and every
claim

http://www.napa.ufl.edu/98news/alternat.htm

>> 'ALTERNATIVE' MEDICINE BECOMING MAINSTREAM, UF STUDY FINDS Nov. 10, 1998
>> By Victoria White


>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----


>> GAINESVILLE---Traditional medical providers may have a reputation for
>> shunning alternative therapies, but health-care teachers are getting
>> massages, learning relaxation techniques and trying other unconventional
>> treatments at about the same rate as the general population, University
>> of Florida researchers report.


>> In a written survey of physicians, nurses, dentists and other health
>> professionals on UF's faculty, 52 percent of the 764 respondents said
>> they had tried an alternative treatment. An earlier survey found the same
>> percentage of Florida residents had done so.


>> The results, published as a letter in this week's issue of The Journal of
>> the American Medical Association (11/11/98), add to the growing evidence
>> that so-called "alternative" medicine is rapidly heading into the
>> mainstream.


>> "With this survey, we've learned that health science faculty are pretty
>> much like anyone else when it comes to their own health," said Dr. Allen
>> Neims, a professor of pharmacology and former dean of UF's College of
>> Medicine. "This is significant, because they are the role models and
>> teachers of the next generation of health-care professionals."


>> Neims authored the letter with Mary Ann Burg and Shae Kosch in the
>> College of Medicine's department of community health and family medicine,
>> and Eleanor Stoller of Case Western Reserve University.


>> This week's JAMA is devoted to research on nontraditional health
>> practices, collectively known as alternative, complementary or
>> integrative medicine. Such therapies are not routinely taught in U.S.
>> medical schools or practiced in the mainstream American medicine, and
>> have not been established as safe and effective by rigorous scientific
>> scrutiny.


>> Neims and Burg see JAMA's interest as a sign of how important physicians
>> are beginning to view the topic.


>> "I think physicians now know that their patients are using massage and
>> dietary supplements and that they're going to chiropractors," Burg said.
>> "So physicians have to figure out how to deal with a group of techniques
>> they probably don't have any training in and which to date have little
>> scientific evidence to demonstrate their effectiveness."


>> About half of U.S. medical schools, including UF, offer elective courses
>> on alternative therapies, Neims said. At UF, some required courses
>> include discussion of the topic. Additionally, a UF family practice
>> clinic offers acupuncture, massage therapy, hypnosis and relaxation
>> techniques.


>> "There is a tremendous amount of individuality in how integrative
>> treatments are presented to students by the faculty," Neims said. "Some
>> include quite a bit of information and others are quite resistant to it,
>> seeing it as a step backwards scientifically. While there is room for
>> both views within the college, I hope this study gives people a little
>> more sense of permission to teach these things. Teaching about them does
>> not have to be an endorsement."


>> One hurdle in integrating alternative therapies into mainstream medicine
>> is that mainstream and alternative practitioners have different ideas
>> about what causes health problems, Burg said.


>> "In traditional Chinese medicine, which includes acupuncture and herbal
>> therapy, they think in terms of 'chi,' which is a kind of life force, a
>> body energy," Burg said. "There is some research showing that acupuncture
>> does a good job relieving pain and other problems, but there is no
>> logical explanation within Western medicine for that."


>> In a written questionnaire mailed to 1,300 UF health faculty members, 32
>> percent of those who responded said they had used massage, 24 percent
>> relaxation techniques, 23 percent dietary supplements and 16 percent
>> chiropractic. Less than 10 percent of the faculty reported using herbs,
>> acupuncture, hypnosis, homeopathic remedies or biofeedback. Women faculty
>> members were significantly more likely than men to have tried alternative
>> therapies.


>> Faculty from the colleges of Health Professions and Nursing were the
>> highest users of alternative medicine -- at 76 and 74 percent,
>> respectively. Of College of Medicine respondents, 52 percent had used
>> alternative medicine. "Nurses have been doing a lot more research on
>> alternative medicine for a much longer time than people in the other
>> health professions," Burg said. "Nursing traditionally has been a
>> holistic, patient-oriented profession, which fits in well with the
>> culture of a many alternative therapies."


>> Neims noted that like the American population in general, health faculty
>> are turning to nontraditional measures to maximize health, not to replace
>> traditional, Western medicine. Many people are exploring new forms of
>> treatment because they fit well with their philosophy of a mind-body
>> connection. They also are seeking a personal relationship that may be
>> difficult to forge in the typical physician office.


>> "If you regularly see a massage therapist or chiropractor, that can turn
>> into a deep relationship with healing qualities of its own," Neims said.
>> "One of the things I hope results from this interest in integrative
>> medicine is that we all reaffirm that the relationship between patient
>> and physician is very, very important."


>> Schools Opening Up to Alternative Medicine


>> June 6, 2005 Schools Opening Up to Alternative Medicine


>> PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Once largely dismissed as a leftover fad from the
>> Age of Aquarius, acupuncture, herbal remedies and other forms of
>> alternative medicine are finding their way into curriculums at
>> traditional medical schools -- most recently the University of
>> Pennsylvania.


>> Doctors at Penn are working with Tai Sophia Institute, an alternative
>> medicine school in Maryland, on a program to teach medical students about
>> herbal therapies, meditation and other approaches that are increasingly
>> popular with the public but largely exist outside the realm of mainstream
>> medicine. It will start in August.


>> "We're not going to turn great surgeons into acupuncturists or
>> herbalists; that's not the idea," said Robert Duggan, co-founder of Tai
>> Sophia. "The goal is that Penn medical school graduates will be highly
>> able to speak with patients about how to guide these things into their
>> overall care."


>> More than a third of American adults have tried alternative therapies --
>> including yoga, meditation, herbs and the Atkins diet -- according to a
>> 2002 government survey of 31,000 people, the largest study of its kind in
>> the United States.


>> Universities nationwide, in response to the burgeoning numbers, are
>> increasingly focusing on complementary medicine (used along with
>> conventional treatment) and alternative medicine (used instead of
>> conventional treatment). Some are creating their own programs and others
>> are working with alternative medicine practitioners, said Aviad Haramati,
>> a professor at Georgetown University's medical school.


>> "More and more there's a willingness by conventional schools to recognize
>> the CAM (complementary and alternative medicine) schools as having this
>> expertise," Haramati said. "And there's a recognition by the CAM
>> disciplines that linking with conventional academic centers to foster
>> research is a good thing."


>> Georgetown students work with a massage therapy school, for example, and
>> Tufts University students work with an acupuncture school, he said.


>> "It made perfect sense to us," said Dr. Alfred P. Fishman of Penn's
>> medical school, co-director of the collaboration. "We thought, why start
>> from scratch? This is a very respected organization with 30 years of
>> hands-on experience."


>> More than 95 of the nation's 125 medical schools require some kind of
>> complementary and alternative medicine coursework, according to the
>> Association of American Medical Colleges.


>> The new partnership will offer a master's degree in complementary and
>> alternative medicine. The degree, offered to the university's medical and
>> nursing students, will come from the Tai Sophia Institute; the schools
>> will exchange faculty members and students.


>> "If you had raised this 10 years ago everyone would have sneered at it,"
>> Fishman said. "Today, we're moving away from being completely focused on
>> preventing disease and toward looking at what it takes to (achieve and
>> maintain) wellness. ... I think patient care will improve enormously."


>> One critic of the trend is Dr. Steven Barrett of Allentown, a Columbia
>> University-trained psychologist who runs the Web site Quackwatch.


>> Alternative medicine programs are finding their way into mainstream
>> institutions not because there's proof the therapies work, Barrett said,
>> but because skeptical voices are squelched and "administrators see it as
>> a way to jump on the bandwagon and get grant money."


>> Penn and Tai Sophia are also developing postgraduate and continuing
>> education courses on complementary and alternative medicine. One program,
>> for example, will teach doctors about herbal medicines so they can better
>> serve their patients who are already taking them.


>> In addition, cardiologists at Penn's Presbyterian Medical Center are
>> working with Tai Sophia to integrate alternative therapies into
>> traditional care for heart patients. The idea is to teach the cardiology
>> staff how to develop personalized therapy plans -- including everything
>> from meditation and massage to reflexology and aromatherapy -- to
>> decrease patient stress, pain and anxiety.


>> "We get the benefit of their extraordinary research capabilities and
>> educational facilities. They get the benefit of an institution that
>> understands the world of (unconventional medicine)," Duggan said.


>> Fishman said the research possibilities are exciting as well. For
>> example, new brain imaging technology will allow researchers to
>> physically explore how things like herbs, acupuncture, even prayer, can
>> make people feel better.


>> "In the days before we could image the brain it was very hard to know
>> about how these things worked, why placebos work in some people," he
>> said. "We can image the brain now and see why they feel better. Nothing
>> is off limits."


> These last two are gushing news articles that are not scientific at all,
> and represent the typical wishful thinking and inaccuracy of science
> reporting in popular journalism.



So the ARROGANT, Rich Shewmaker, who doesn't give a damn who lies in this
newsgroup, *thinks* he knows more than a co-founder of a alternative medical
school and the cardiologists at Penn's Presbyterian Medical Center!


> I'm not going to wade through the rest of your links.



OH? Why not?

Afraid they prove your website to be ONE HUGE LIE?


As in:


THE IN NO ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE?!?!?!?!


Oh, yes, I forgot, now he will divert to ye ole insults, when his back is to
the wall.



> [Snip twelve links that may or may not be relevant.]



Umm, no, I don't think so, they INDEED prove both YOU and BARRETT to be
BLATANT LIARS.

And YOU to be a REPEATED LIAR, EVERY TIME YOU POST THE *PROVEN* LYING
WEBSITES



> (Jan will claim this snipping is dishonest. Anyone else who wants to see
> them knows to look upthread for them.)


Wrong AGAIN!

http://www.med.upenn.edu/progdev/compmed/


http://www.karinya.com/schools.htm


http://www.mcgill.ca/reporter/36/17/collet/


http://www.intstudy.com/articles/twealtmd.htm


http://www.aiam.edu/


http://focus.hms.harvard.edu/1998/Nov27_1998/forum.html


http://www.omahahealth.com/


http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6920/2/2


http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/181_05_060904/bro10359_fm.html


http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/280/9/784


http://www.uchc.edu/ocomm/features/stories/stories03/feature_alternat...


http://www.whccamp.hhs.gov/fr4.html




>
> --Rich
>



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