Re: Is there a natural Candida cure?


tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> xjoejx@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > xjoejx@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > tunderbar@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > xjoejx@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > > no.email@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > > > I'm looking for a natural supplement and/or program that can kill and
> > > > > > > control Candida Yeast in the body. I do not want to use a
> > > > > > > prescription drug to do this unless absolutely necessary.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would like to use this while going on the Candida control diet.
> > > > > > > There are just so many different herbs, supplements etc when I do a
> > > > > > > 'search' that I really don't know where to start. Many of the 'cures'
> > > > > > > sound highly suspicious/pyramid-like in nature.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would like comments from those that have actually used a specific
> > > > > > > diet/product with excellent results.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank You
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before taking large doses of any supplement, Vitamin C included, check
> > > > > > with your physician first.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > K
> > > > >
> > > > > Vitamin C has no toxicity issues whatsoever. There is no guarantee that
> > > > > the doctor will be aware of that.
> > > > >
> > > > > TC
> > > >
> > > > While it is true that Vitamin C's water-soluble nature means that
> > > > excess amounts will be excreted in urine making toxicity rare, saying
> > > > that Vitamin C has no toxicity issues whatsoever is false.
> > > >
> > > > The most common symptom of Vitamin C toxicity is kidney stones.
> > >
> > > Nonsense. Do you have any science to back this assertion.
> > >
> >
> > Do you have any science to back up your "bet" that Vitamin C in large
> > doses will get rid of Candida in anyone, let alone in this person?
> >
> > I refuse to get into a "link posting" war with you. The facts are that
> > you are a computer programmer who is offering advice on treating a
> > medical condition without being qualified, on even the remotest level,
> > to do so. That is both irresponsible and dangerous. You do not know
> > if he or she has any other underlying medical conditions which an
> > unnaturally large dose of Vitamin C could exacerbate, nor are you even
> > qualified to make any such recommendations.
>
> An IT worker who happens to know more about nutrition than most
> doctors. Then again, anyone who spends more than a few dozen hours
> studying nutrition will know more abut it than most doctors. With what
> I posted in this thread, you now know more about nutrition than most
> doctors.
>
How can you possibly make the statement that you know more about
nutrition than most doctors? In order for that to be an accurate
statement, you would have to know what every doctor in the world has
studied. Hyperbole never serves anyone well in the arena of debate.
That's something you should remember, as it only goes towards
destroying your credibility.

You have a very well established track record of telling people to "put
up or shut up" when it comes to proving assertions that run contrary to
your beliefs. Maybe now we should turn the tables on you and ask you
to prove yourself. C'mon Terry. You can do it. Prove you know more
about nutrition than most doctors.

In the end, everyone knows you will not be able to. Just admit to
exaggerating your knowledge relative to the planet's physicians and we
can move on.
>
> >
> > > Too
> > > > much Vitamin C can also interfere with the bodies ability to absorb
> > > > Vitamin B-12, resulting in anemia (though this is rare).
> > >
> > > Actually vitamin C is know to be a booster for other vitamins, it
> > > improves the impact of otyer vitamins, including B-12.
> > >
> >
> > > Of course,
> > > > the Vitamin C "flush" you are recommending will lead, by definition, to
> > > > diarrhea as well.
> > > >
> > > > Talk to your doctor first, no.em!
> > > >
> > > > K
> > >
> > > Yep, the only possible impact that could be remotely called negative is
> > > the upper bowel tolerance limit. If you get the runs, you've taken a
> > > bit too much, cut back the dosage until you stomach settles. Whoa,
> > > daaaaaangerous stuff. OOOOOOhhhhhhhhhh.
> > >
> > > Vitamin C is safe. It is effective. It is an great natural
> > > anti-bacterial agent, an anti-viral agent, and an anti-fungal agent. It
> > > is cheap. It is side-effect free. And it works amazingly well.
> > >
> > > A vitamin C flush is about 16 to 20 1000 mgs per day, 3( to 4 thousand
> > > mgs four times a day with food) for four days.
> >
> > For a computer programmer, your math skills are laughable. 3 to 4
> > thousand mg. four times daily equates to 12,000 to 16,000 mgs. per day
> > (not 16,000 to 20,000 as you stated). Your pathetic mathematical
> > acumen notwithstanding, what is even more interesting is that for
> > someone who continually advocates natural, whole food diets, you are
> > recommending taking an unnaturally large dose of Vitamin C! If we were
> > meant to ingest that much Vitamin C, we certainly would not have to eat
> > two or three hundred oranges a day to get it!!
>
>
> My math was close enough to still be useful information. If it was
> crucial to be absolutely precise I would have been. And insofar as
> getting how much vit C form how much food and whether or not it is
> natural or not, you may want to do a bit of research on ascorbic acid
> and the fact that for an unknown reason humans are one of a few animals
> that has lost their ability to produce it. Researchers have looked at
> other animals who do produce their own vit c and extrapolated their
> production to an animal our size and concluded that 10 to 12 1000 mgs
> per day is not unreasonable.

So, you are saying that humans, at one point, had the ability to
produce their own Vitamin C? I gather this from your claim that
"humans are one of a few animals that has lost their ability to produce
it". If we "lost" this ability, we must have had it at one point. So,
where along the scale of human evolution did we lose our ability to
produce our own Vitamin C? Are you insinuating that since we no longer
can produce our own Vitamin C that we have actually "devolved"? And
which "animals" did they extrapolate this data from? How similar are
the physiologies of these animals to that of humans?
>
> >
> > > If this is too much for your stomach, cut back a bit.
> >
> > It probably will be. When the latest RDA was published in 2000, it set
> > the Tolerable Upper Intake Level for Vitamin C in adults to 2,000 mg.
> > per day. At this level, most adults would not experience
> > gastrointestinal distrubances (diarrhea included). Your starting point
> > is anywhere from 6 to 10 times the recommendation...depending, of
> > course, on which of your conflicting daily doseage recommendations one
> > uses.
>
> RDAs are useless to gauge optimal doses. They only represent the
> minimums needed to avoid overt signs of deficiency, on the one side,
> and maximums that are ridiculously low to ensure that people don't
> expect too much nutrition from the manufactured crap they are fed.
>
Actually, the Linus Pauling Institute recommends that the minimum RDA
for Vitamin C be raised from 90 to 120 mg. Only 30 milligrams
difference. As far as upper limits go, the LPI recognizes that
"gastrointestinal disturbances" have been observed at widely varying
thresholds (those being from 3 to 10 grams daily). Since they don't
consider diarrhea a severe enough effect of megadoses of Vitamin C,
they conclude that an upper limit cannot be established. All the RDA
is doing is setting an upper limit to ensure that most people do not
experience these "gastrointestinal disturbances". Your starting point
for a Vitamin C flush exceeds the LPI's observed high-end threshold for
GD at 10 grams by anywhere from 20% to 100%. This will most surely
result in GD. Why should this person locate their personal tolerance
by starting high and cutting back as opposed to starting at the RDA and
increasing their intake? They'll still find their tolerance level.
Starting low, however, will ensure that they don't spend a lot of time
on the toilet, nor will they be wasting their money by flushing excess
Vitamin C down with whatever evacuates from their bowels. This is only
common sense.
> >
> > > I recommend the powder form, it is
> > > bufferred and easier on the stomach. Calcium Ascorbate, sodium
> > > ascorbate or pottasium ascorbate. I use the calcium ascorbate. 1/4
> > > teaspoon is about 1000 mg, dissolve it in juice or water and shoot her
> > > back.
> > >
> > > I'll be willing to bet dollars to donuts that a good vitamin C flush
> > > would take care of the candida cheaply and with no dangerous side
> > > effects, and quickly. I would also suggest 2 to 4 1000 mg every day on
> > > an on-going basis, or at minimum 2000 mg per day. Just for better
> > > health in general.
> > >
> > > TC
> >
> > And I recommend talking to a qualified medical physician first,
> > no.email. Tell him or her that you would like to eradicate your
> > candida using a natural source. Your family doctor will know your
> > medical history and can warn you if there is anything you should look
> > out for. No one is saying you shouldn't explore the benefits of
> > Vitamin C. Just take the necessary precautions first. Good luck.
> >
> > K
>
> Find me a medical doctor that is really and truly qualified in the area
> of nutrition. That is an oxymoron. They do not exist under the umbrella
> of the American Medical Association. In fact some one truly qualified
> in nutrition is explicitly excluded from practising as a medical
> doctor. A medical doctor is to diagnose and prescribe. They can't make
> money prescribing good nutrition and un-patented nutrients.
>
> TC

Once again, hyperbole has torpedoed part of your argument and whatever
shred of credibility you have left, thus further fueling the debate as
to which of your arrogance or your ignorance supercedes the other.

Here's a little thought experiment for you Terry. Imagine someone who,
in your mind, is truly qualified in nutrition. Now, imagine this
person going to medical school and graduating with honors. According
to you, this person would be "explicitly excluded from practising as a
medical doctor". Do you see how your statement in nothing more than a
lie? The only thing preventing anyone qualified in nutrition from
practicing medicine is not having a medical degree.

My recommendation stands. Tell your family doctor, no.email, that you
would like to treat your infection with a natural substance before
rushing out and taking medical advice dispensed by anyone who is not
qualified to give same.

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