Re: Has anyone here cured from diabete with Dr Clark's protocol ?


"Rich" <joshew@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Poor Mark looking for an argument, since he never won one in court
>>>>>>>> and was disbarred.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>> cathyb wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> JanD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>[snip]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The answer is no, nobody has ever been cured of diabetes (or
>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>> else) by using Clark's methods."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter has made this claim, now he can prove it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter has made this claim, right here on this newsgroups, now he can
>>>>>> prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The claim is enough.
>>>>
>>>> The FACT is:
>>>>
>>>> Peter has made this claim, right here on this newsgroups, now he can
>>>> prove it.
>>>>
>>>> If you care to prove him wrong, be my guest, but until someone does,
>>>> the statement stands.
>>>>
>>>> Peter made the claim, it is Peter who proves it.
>>>>
>>>> It is not a report of scientific
>>>>> discovery that needs to be supported by rigorous research. It is just
>>>>> a simple statement of what Mark and I and a lot of others believe to
>>>>> be a fact. If you believe us wrong, YOU prove it.
>>>>
>>>> It is the statement and a CLAIM of what you and others believe, now
>>>> EACH and EVERY single one of YOU can prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it's up to Hulda to prove her claim that she can produce the "cure
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> all diseases," or even one disease for that matter. Thus far, she
>>>>>>> has never bothered to do so,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you read her books?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. [Note to the other skeptics here: I did NOT enrich Hulda with
>>>>> royalties. I read her books while drinking tea in the Borders
>>>>> Bookstore cafeteria, an activity which they graciously allow.]
>>>>
>>>> Big eye roll. Poor Rich, is worried about his standings with the
>>>> *gang*.
>>>>
>>>> Then, you will read case histories of where she has *cured* any number
>>>> of diseases.
>>>
>>> Case histories are the kind of claims that really do need to be backed
>>> up by research. Huldas case histories in her books do not include the
>>> detailed medical histories of her patients including what conventional
>>> treatment they were also receiving,
>>
>> Yes, they do as much as is provided by the patients. The patients have
>> made the
>> choice to come to see here AFTER being told by their doctor, NOTHING more
>> can be done.
>
>>
>> nor do they provide any information of the progress of
>>> the patients after she declared them "cured."
>>
>> That would be up to the patient. It is NOT the job of Hulda Clark to
>> track these people down.
>
> It is if she is going to call her work "research" and bill herself as a
> "researcher."

Nope, the people come to her AFTER being told, nothing more can be done.
When they return
home, it is their responsibility to keep in touch with her. She makes that
clear to them.
>>
>> Cancer researchers are expected to do five-year follow-ups even before
>> claiming cures, and most
>>> will only claim "remissions" even then.
>>
>> So you say.
>
> That's the standard for most kinds of cancer. Just ask the cancer docs
> here.

LOL!!! The cancer docs here are both PROVEN LIARS!
>
>
>>
>> Cancer doctors are NOT expected to say, NOTHING more can be done.
>
> Sometimes, nothing more can be done.

You mean nothing in the little recipe book.

Hulda can do nothing to extend the
> patient's life,

Hulda has done EXACTLY THAT, MANY times.

[snip repeated lies]

>>>>>>
>>>>>> even though she bills herself as a "researcher."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FACT is she IS a researcher.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She did research at Indiana University.
>>>>>
>>>>> OOOO! WOW! She published only her doctoral thesis, which incidentally
>>>>> had nothing to do with the clinical treatment of disease. That does
>>>>> not qualify her as a researcher. If "publish or perish" applies, she
>>>>> perished as a researcher years ago.
>>>>
>>>> The FACT is she IS a researcher.
>>>
>>> So, where's her research?
>>
>> D U H
>>
>> I thought you said, you had read her books?
>>
>> The Cure For All Advanced Cancers
>>
>> The Cure For HIV and AIDS
>>
>> The Cure For All Diseases
>>
>> The Cure For All Cancers
>>
>> The Prevention of All Cancers
>>
>>
>> Plugging her name into Medline or Google Scholar
>>> brings up only her books which contain no research.
>>
>> Evidently you LIED, inside the cover of her books, it tells why she
>> prefers to write to the public.
>
> Of course she does. That is how she avoids the scrutiny of the scientific
> world. She could no more get her "research" into the peer-reviewed
> journals than I could get my doodles into the Louvre.
>
>
>>
>>
>>>> As usual diversions are noted.
>>>
>>> What diversions?
>>
>> The diversions of published.
>>
>> The topic is Hulda's ability to cure disease. All my
>>> comments address that.
>>
>> Your comments dirfted from *researcher* to *published*
>
> "Published" is how claims are backed up. No discussion of ANYBODY's
> theories about treatment protocols is complete without a discussion of
> what that "researcher" has published about the subject. Hulda has
> published books, but the books contain no reports of research experiments,
> no research data, no description of experimental design, not even
> documentation of her case histories. In other words, her books show
> nothing to back up her claims except testimonials and self-agrandizement.
>
>
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two Reposts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ( BEFORE, you ever posted on this newsgroup, with your constant
>>>>>> DISRUPTIONS)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have known Hulda Regehr Clark for 40 years a least. She is a very
>>>>>> caring
>>>>>> person and not out to get rich. Whether her methods work or not is
>>>>>> for her
>>>>>> patients to decide.
>>>>>
>>>>> As Ben Franklin so aptly put it, "There are no greater liars in the
>>>>> world than quacks - except for their patients."
>>>>
>>>> Poor Rich. Loren Parks was NOT a patient.
>>>
>>> I never said he was. I just say he's wrong that Hulda's abilities are
>>> "for her patients to decide."
>>
>> *I* say he is NOT.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether Hulda's methods work or not is to be decided by research. When
>>>>> is the great researcher, Hulda Clark, going to get around to it?
>>
>> She has better sense that to *waste* her time with *idiots* like you.
>>
>> The FACT is, whether her methods work or not is NOT going to be decided
>> by *organized*
>> nor *conventional* medicine.
>>
>> Interested people will decide for themselves.
>>
>> Interested people ARE inviting her to speak.
>>
>> She is STILL speaking ALL over the world.
>>
>> For those who ARE interested.
>>
>> The below is just a very *small* example.
>>
>> http://www.drclark.net/info/Rückblick%20E.pdf
>>
>> http://www.healthfreedomexpo.com/events.php
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> She is a real Dr. with a PhD in Biophysics
>>>>>> and/or
>>>>>> Physiology from the University of Minnesota and was on the staff at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> University of Indiana for a number of years. I knew her as a
>>>>>> graduate
>>>>>> student when I was in the Department of Biophysics at the
>>>>>> University of
>>>>>> Minnesota. We both worked under Dr. Otto Schmitt, who invented the
>>>>>> electronic switch which made the computer possible.>
>>>>>> You may criticize her methods but to say she is not a Dr. or is
>>>>>> greedy
>>>>>> is totally false. She is a very focused, caring person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Loren Parks
>>>>>> Parks Medical Electronics, Inc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi JDrew,
>>>>>> I appreciate your extensive post on Dr. Clark's situation.
>>>>>> About 5 years ago, my father was cured of stomach cancer and
>>>>>> primarily
>>>>>> claimed Dr. Clark's method was the cure. A dozen American doctors
>>>>>> tried to
>>>>>> remove his stomach -- he refused
>>>>>> scare him into chemotherapy -- he refused
>>>>>> perform exploratory surgery on him -- he refused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eventually the American dozen aknowledged my father was cancer free.
>>>>>> Of course, that was long after Clark treated him at her clinic and
>>>>>> long after he spent thousands of his own dollars so his American
>>>>>> doctors would satisfy themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is an opposing experience that the more vocal majority in this
>>>>>> group who have no real experience with Dr. Clark can't leave alone.
>>>>>> I've posted it before in greater detail. For those people, everyone
>>>>>> who strays from standard medical practice or exhibits individual
>>>>>> authority is a quack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have info on any support started for Clark?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Mike O
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, a character reference and an anecdote. Now, do you have any
>>>>> PROOF?
>>>>
>>>> Mike did, the man was his father.
>>>
>>> Which makes the anecdote second hand and even less reliable. Who's to
>>> say that the man told his son the truth,
>>
>> OH WOW.
>>
>> Poor Rich.
>>
>>
>> or that the son did not embelish the
>>> story?
>>
>> NO, he did NOT.
>>
>>
>> Or for that matter who knows if the "cure" really happened at all? Is
>>> the patient still alive? Can we interview him and his doctors? Is there
>>> any proof of anything at all here?
>>
>> YOU were NOT here.
>>
>> But dream on, Rich, YOU will your LYING websites, who does not give a
>> damn if Peter lies to this newsgroup, his mother, or the pope.
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> --Rich
>>
>>
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