Re: Scientific approach of the theories of Hulda Clark


"Researcher" <ital1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> To me the problem is that until shown otherwise (and that would be easy
> enough to do), this is all going on in CLark's head. Hardly anyone
> else
> has been able to get the Syncrometer to do what she claims, and no one has
> ever tested it out under controlled scientific condtions . I suggest you
> buy one and see if you can get a machine that merely measures skin
> resistance and converts it into a tone can supply such elaborate medical
> information as she claims.

Do you personally know people that tried to use her syncrometer ? Can
you provide us with their names and/or email addresses ? Can they post
here ? Or maybe you tried it yourself ? If you tried it yourself,
please describe how you proceeded for testing her device and provide
exactly what did or did not work. I remember that I don't want to blame
you, I just want you to give us a scientific/technical/logical approach
on the subject and I hope you understand this ;-) At least, if you
can't provide us with the names of peoples or email addresses, or if
you did not tried it yourself, you can give us a link that explains
exactly how they have tested the syncrometer, and that explains why
they think it did not work. We need facts.


> That, when combined with clearly exagerated and grossly implausible
> claims,
> spells quackery. (As a surgeon who has "been there" many times I can
> tell
> you that our livers are not full of stones, for example..)

Is there a proof, a scientific or medical proof that our livers are not
full of stones ?



> Clark's cancer quackery is especially harnful because she advocates
> harmful
> procedures such as amalgam removal and also obsessive avoidance and
> cleansing ritutals that sap cancer patients energies and time. She is
> also costly, advocating several other quack gadgetries such as the
> Zappicator and Sonicator. You should look at this nonsense, too.

Here's some little parts of her book : Please if you disagree with a
point, provide us the reason why you disagree, a SCIENTIFIC or MEDICAL
reason, PLEASE ! :

[ Beginning of quotation ]
Another obvious metallic threat is tooth fillings. Mercury
amalgam fillings, despite the assurances of the American Dental
Association, are not safe. And sometimes the mercury is polluted
with thallium, even more toxic than mercury! Gold and silver
seem to have fewer harmful effects, but no one should have any
pure metal in or on their body
[ End of quotation ]

!!!!!!! Can mercury be polluted with Thallium ? If no, why ? If yes,
how ? !!!!!!!

[ Beginning of quotation ]
Reduce your meat consumption. Switch to fish which
supplies calcium in the tiny bones. It is true, these bones
are made of calcium phosphate and one might expect,
logically, to be getting a less effective calcium source.
Logic isn't necessarily biologically correct. The bones of
fish work nicely as a calcium source and their phosphate
content is not too great. Such a diet has worked for many
primitive societies. Further, I have never seen a case of
mercury toxicity from eating fish; amalgam tooth fillings are
our truly significant source.
[ End of quotation ]


[Beginning of quotation]
Where would you ever get thallium? From your very own
mouth! The mercury in fillings is often itself polluted with thallium!
Replace your amalgam fillings with composite.
[End of quotation]

Can composite be a replacement for amalgam fillings ?
If no, why ?
If yes, why ?


[Beginning of quotation]
Thallium has another source: it is riding along as a pollutant
in cotton swabs, cotton balls, commercial bandages, toothpicks,
floss, gauze, sanitary napkins, tampons, disposable diapers, and
paper towels. Evidently these are being sterilized with mercuric
chloride which, in turn, has thallium pollution.
[End of quotation]

Are these really sterilized with mercuric chloride ?
Can mercuric chloride be polluted by thallium ?
Is sterilization possible with mercuric chloride ?
Where is mercuric chloride used for sterilization ?

[Beginning of quotation]
If you do have thallium in your white blood cells and you
haven't used toothpicks, etc. earlier in the day, then it is in your
tooth fillings and you have no higher priority than getting the
amalgams out. Find a dentist immediately who will remove
them, drilling deeply and widely not to miss a speck of it, thereby
getting the thallium out, too.
[End of quotation]

Can thallium get in white blood cells ?
If yes, why, if no, why ?

[Beginning of quotation]
Another large source of nickel is metal dentalware. It is used
to harden gold! If you suffer from prostate problems, remove
metal from your dentalware. Nickel is used to make bridges, gold
crowns, retainers, amalgams. Exchange it all for plastic ware and
composite buildups (see Sources for more dental information).
Stop eating and cooking with metal utensils; use old fashioned
wooden or sturdy plastic cutlery instead. Always use a plastic
knife for butter or mayonnaise. Never buy foil-wrapped butter.
[End of quotation]

Can nickel come from metal dentalware ? if yes, how, if no, why ?
Is nickel really used for making bridges, gold crowns, retainers,
amalgam ?
Can plastic ware and composite buildups replace these ?
Please, always write why or how when you answer these questions,
SCIENTIFICALLY and MEDICALLY speaking, PLEASE !

[Beginning of quotation]
Of course, mercury in amalgam tooth
fillings keeps immunity chronically lowered.
[End of quotation]

Is this possible ? Can mercury (medically speaking) lower immunity ?

[Beginning of quotation]
Dental Clean-up
(This section on dentistry was contributed by Frank Jerome,
DDS)
Dr. Jerome: The philosophy of dental treatment taught in
America is that teeth are to be saved by whatever means available,
using the strongest, most long lasting materials. Long-term
toxic effects are of little concern. The attitude of the majority of
dentists is: whatever the American Dental Association (ADA)
says is OK, they will do.
A more reasonable philosophy is that there is no tooth worth
saving if it damages your immune system. Use this as your
guideline.
The reason dentists do not see toxic results is that they do not
look or ask. If a patient has three mercury amalgam fillings
placed in the mouth and a week later has a kidney problem, will
she call the dentist-or the doctor? Will they ever tell the dentist
about the kidney problem or tell the doctor about the three
fillings? A connection will never be made.
It is common for patients who have had their metal fillings
removed to have various symptoms go away but, again, they do
not tell the dentist. The patient has to be asked! Once the patient
begins to feel well they take it for granted, and don't make the
connection, either. If everybody's results were instantaneous,
there would be no controversy.
Find an alternative dentist. They have been leading the
movement to ban mercury from dental supplies. Not only mercury,
but all metal needs to be banned. If your dentist will not
follow the necessary procedures, then you must find one that
will. The questions to ask when you phone a new dental office
are:
1. Do you place mercury fillings? (The correct answer is NO.
If they do, they probably don't have enough experience in
the use of non-metal composites.)
2. Do you do root canals? (The correct answer is NO. If they
do, they do not understand good alternative dentistry.)
3. Do you remove amalgam tattoos? (The correct answer is
YES. Tattoos are pieces of mercury left in the gum tissue.)
4. Do you treat cavitations? (The correct answer is YES. By
cleaning them.) The complete name of cavitations is alveolar
cavitational osteopathosis. They are holes
(cavities) left in the jawbone by an incompletely extracted
tooth. A properly cleaned socket which is left after an extraction
will heal and fill with bone. Dentists routinely do
NOT clean the socket of tissue remnants or infected bone.
A dry socket (really an infected socket) is a common result.
These sockets never fully heal. Thirty years after an
extraction, a cavitation will still be there. It is a form of
osteomyelitis, which means bone infection.
Ninety percent or more of dental offices will not be able to
answer ANY of the above questions correctly. If you allow the
work to be done by a dentist who does not understand the importance
of the above list, you could end up with new problems.
Find the right dentist first even if you must travel hundreds of
miles. There are 6,000 to 10,000 dentists who should be able to
help. Some can do part of the work and refer you to a specialist
for the rest. Five hundred to one thousand of these dentists can do
it all.
Normal treatment cost is about $1,000 for replacement of 6 to
8 metal fillings including the examination and X-rays. For people
with a metal filling in every tooth, or for the extraction of all
teeth (plus dentures), it may be up to $3,000 (or more in some
places).
Remember, the simpler the treatment, the better. If the
dentist says that he or she can change your metal fillings to
plastic but it would be better to crown them, say "NO!"

Guidelines For A Healthy Mouth
If you have What to do
Metal fillings change to plastic fillings
Inlays and onlays change to plastic fillings
Crowns (all types) change to plastic crowns
Bridges change to plastic crowns, partials
Metal partials change to plastic partials(FlexiteTM)
Pink dentures change to clear plastic
Porcelain denture teeth change to plastic denture teeth
Badly damaged teeth become extractions
Root canals become extractions
Braces and implants avoid
Cavitations need to be surgically cleaned
Temporary crowns use plastic
Temporary fillings use DuralonTM
The guidelines can be summarized as:
1. Remove all metal from the mouth.
2. Remove all infected teeth and clean cavitations.

Dr. Clark: Removing all metal means removing all root canals,
metal fillings and crowns. Take out all bridge work or
partials made of metal and never put them back in. But you
may feel quite attached to the gold, so ask the dentist to give
you everything she or he removes. Look at the underside. You
will be glad you switched.
The top surfaces of tooth fillings are kept glossy by brushing (you
swallow some of what is removed). Underneath is tarnish and foulness.
Ask to see your crowns when they are removed.

The stench of the infection under some teeth may be overwhelming
as they are pulled. Bad breath in the morning is due
to such hidden tooth infections, not a deficiency of mouthwash!
All metal must come out, no matter how glossy it looks on
the surface. Metal does not belong in your body. It is an unnatural
chemical. Do this as soon as you have found a dentist
able to do it. Find a dentist with experience and knowledge
about this subject. It is more than replacing acknowledged culprits
like mercury-amalgam fillings. This is metal-free
dentistry. Only metal-free plastic should be put back in your
mouth.
Dr. Jerome: If your dentist tells you that mercury and other
metals will not cause any problems, you will not be able to
change his or her mind. Seek treatment elsewhere!
Your dentist should do a complete X-ray examination of your
mouth. Ask for the panoramic X-ray rather than the usual series
of 14 to 16 small X-rays (called full mouth series). The
panoramic X-ray shows the whole mouth including the jaws and
the sinuses. This lets the dentist see impacted teeth, root fragments,
bits of mercury buried in the bone and deep infections.
Cavitations are visible in a panoramic X-ray that may not be seen
in a full mouth series.
The cost of removing metals should be viewed in the proper
light. It took years or decades to get into your present condition.
When you do a lot of dental repair in a short time, it can seem to
be costly. Unfortunately, many people are in a tight financial
position because of the cost of years of ineffective treatment,
trying to get well.

Your dentist may recommend crowning teeth to "protect" or
strengthen them. Unfortunately, the very concept of crowning
teeth is flawed. First, the enamel is removed from a tooth to
prepare for the crown. This is permanent and serious damage!
Many teeth, up to 20%, may die after being crowned and will
need to be extracted. For this reason, you should only get
REPLACEMENT crowns and NO NEW crowns. Your metal
crowns can be changed to plastic. (Remember, no metal must be
left under the crown.)
If you have many crowns, you should have them all removed
as quickly as possible. But you should not spend more than two
hours in the dentist's chair at any one time. That is too much
stress for your body.
Dr. Clark: Don 't accept intravenous (IV) treatments
during amalgam removal. Both IV bags and the supplements
used in them are polluted with propyl alcohol, benzene, and
wood alcohol.
Dr. Jerome: It is quite all right to have temporary crowns
placed on all teeth that need them in the first visit. You may then
go back and complete treatment over the next 6 to 12 months. It is
common to find a crowned tooth to be very weak and not worth
replacing the crown, particularly if you are already having a
partial made and could include this tooth in it.
Dr. Clark: We are accustomed to thinking that plastic is
metal-free. This is wrong. The original dental plastic, methyl
methacrylate was metal-free. But modern plastic contains
metal. The metal is ground up very finely and added to the
plastic in order to make it harder, give it sheen, color, etc.
Dr. Jerome: Dentists are not commonly given information on
these metals used in plastics. The information that comes with
dental supplies does not list them either. Most dentists never look
at a dental materials book after they graduate. The ADA,
however, has a library full of such information.21
Dr. Clark: There are many lanthanide (Rare Earth) metals
used in dental plastic. Their effects on the body from
dentalware
have NOT been studied. Yet their cancer-promoting ability is
known in many cases.22 Only metal-free plastic is safe.
Dr. Jerome: These are the acceptable plastics; they can be
procured at any dental lab.
· Plastic for dentures: Methyl Methacrylate. Available in
clear and pink. Do not use pink.23
· Plastic for partial dentures: FlexiteTM Available in clear
and pink. Do not use pink.
· Plastic for fillings: Composite Materials. This is the material
that has been used in front teeth for 30 years. It has
been used in back teeth for 10 years. There are many
brands and there are new ones being marketed constantly.
The new ones are very much superior to those used 10
years ago and they will continue to improve. They do,
however, contain enough barium or zirconium to make them
visible on X-rays. There are no alternatives available
without these metals.
Dr. Clark: Composites with barium are not good, but I
haven't seen enough barium toxicity from fillings at this time to
merit advising extraction instead. Hopefully, a barium-free variety
will become available soon to remove this health risk.
Dr. Jerome: Many people (and dentists too) believe that
porcelain is a good substitute for plastic. Porcelain is aluminum
oxide with other metals added to get different colors (shades).
The metal DOES come out of the porcelain! It has many technical
drawbacks as well. Porcelain is not recommended. Some-
times the white composite fillings are called porcelain fillings
but they are not. They also require more tooth structure to be
removed.
If you have a large bridge, it cannot be replaced with a plastic
bridge because it isn't strong enough. A large bridge must be
replaced with a removable partial (FlexiteTM).
The methods used to remove metals and infections are technical
and complicated. See dental information in Sources.
Dr. Clark: I'd like to thank Dr. Jerome for his
contributions to this section, and his pioneering work in metalfree
dentistry. I hope more dentists acquire his techniques.
[End of quotation]

What seems to be wrong in what she writes ? What seems to be true ?
According to you, but with scientific, logical, technical approach
please.



> So it is back in your court. Can you find any evidence supporting her
> claims? Why do you think it is that, as a PhD, she has never chosen to
> publish anything other than self-promotional material, not even anything
> in
> any of the alternaive medical journals?
>
> Peter Moran.
>
> www.cancerwatcher.com

I'm not supporting her claims. I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, OK ?
Thank you for understanding me.


I'm sorry, but I do NOT understand you. Why are you directing all your
inquiries and demands for "scientific" analysis in the wrong direction? You
quote all these authoritive sounding assertions by Ms. Clark, some of which
are directly contradictory to established scientific fact, then, instead of
placing the burden on her to support the claims with evidence, you call on
this community to supply the science. That's backwards. If Ms. Clark is
going to claim that livers are "full of stones," or that fish is not a
source of toxic mercury, or that foil-wrapped butter is a health threat,
then it is up to HER to back up those assertions. The reasonable thing for
you to do is to recognize the sum total of her ideas as the ravings of a
crackpot until proven otherwise. Don't expect us to do Clark's homework, or
yours.
--


--Rich

Recommended websites:

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/



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