Re: Scary new antivac story.

"JanD" <JanD@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> "JanD" <JanD@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>
>>>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>news:af7lm1tctud1vku14hudn99q42kre3mncd@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>> "JanD" <JanD@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>>"JohnDoe" <dont@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>>news:436a2030$0$2339$ba620dc5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> jdeere2312@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>>>> Peter Bowditch wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>jdeere2312@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>JohnDoe wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Have a look at this:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/i_thought_we_drew_the_line_at_human_sacrifice_in_this_country/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>How sick must you be to oppose a vaccine that's nearly 100%
>>>>>>>>>>effective
>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>preventing a form of cancer? I'm starting to think that Peter
>>>>>>>>>>Bowditch
>>>>>>>>>>is right in that people who oppose vaccination enjoy the suffering
>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>others. What an incredible bunch of sickos. And yes, this story
>>>>>>>>>>pissed
>>>>>>>>>>me off!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>But the opponents here are primarily those who don't want
>>>>>>>>>teenagers to have any sexual activity. Not those who
>>>>>>>>>are opposed to vaccines on general principle. And not
>>>>>>>>>those who are opposed to the practice of adding
>>>>>>>>>mercury to vaccines to enhance its self life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I am curious, why did you post this to misc.health.alternative?
>>>>>>>>>How does "teenagers shouldn't have sex" conservatism
>>>>>>>>>connect in your mind to "alternative medicine"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Because the "alternative medicine" people who oppose vaccination are
>>>>>>>>using "teenagers shouldn't have sex" as a way of opposing
>>>>>>>>vaccination.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is totally nuts. The "teenagers shouldn't have sex" is a bunch
>>>>>>> of conservatives, who are primarily religious nuts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The people who oppose vaccines in general, tend to believe in
>>>>>>> natural health and stronger immune systems, and that
>>>>>>> too many vaccines may be causing undue stress on
>>>>>>> the body.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The people who oppose putting mercury in vaccines, tend to believe
>>>>>>> mercury can be poisonous to humans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only idiots or paranoids will think all these are the same.
>>>>>>> Oh, wait, there is another category -- PR crooks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The anti-vac liars
>>>>>
>>>>>I see you are play a liar liar game.
>>>>
>>>> No, it's not a game. These people really do tell lies.
>>>
>>>
>>>OH. My, my how the rules change!
>>>
>>>I shall keep this for future reference.
>>
>> Do just that. I grant you full authority to say at any time in the
>> future when talking about anti-vaccination liars "These people do
>> really tell lies".
>
>LOL. I do not need you authority to say at any time when I use it for future
>reference.

I know you don't need it, but that won't stop me giving it to you.
Every time you use it I will quote the message where I said that you
could say it.

>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> have only one goal - getting rid of vaccines (or
>>>>>> maybe seeing people suffer from disease is their ultimate goal
>>>>>
>>>>>I'll bet that's it! People just love to see people suffer from disease.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now WHO is lying?
>>>>
>>>> What other motivation could there be for measles parties, Jan, if it's
>>>> not to see children get measles?
>>>
>>>Measle parties weren't mentioned. I have never heard of measle parties.
>>
>> You should pay more attention to anti-vaccination liars.
>
>There is no such thing.

If someone is anti-vaccination and they tell lies then they are an
anti-vaccination liar. QED (sorry about the Popish Latin)

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>[snip]
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>>>
>>>
>>>What could be the justification for the person who wrote to an
>>>anti-vaccination liar mailing list
>>>
>>>There is no such thing, as anti-vaccination liars.
>>>
>>> asking if anyone knew where they could hear recordings of screaming
>>>children?
>>>
>>>So you say.
>>
>> "Are there any audio's available of a baby's high pitched scream after
>> vaccination?"
>>
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AVN/message/25805
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>> Feel free to apologise any time you like.

I understand how hard it must be for you to grasp the idea of a closed
mailing list with private archives, but that message really does
exist.

Here is some more information about it.

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Are there any audio's available of a baby's high pitched scream
after vaccination?

Dan


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Do you think that someone who uses the Yahoo! ID "abolishvaccines" and
an email address starting with "vaccinegenocide@..." might be just a
teensy weensy bit anti-vaccination?

As I said, feel free to apologise any time you like.

>Yes, you should do just that, for not checking out what you post to this
>group.
>
>>>>>
>>>>>and getting rid of vaccines just a means, these people are so nuts it's
>>>>>hard
>>>>>> to tell).
>>>>>
>>>>>The comment, you made certainly is in that category, NUTS.
>>>>
>>>> When people tell me that it is impossible to harm a baby by shaking it
>>>> or that measles is "benign", the expression "these people are so nuts"
>>>> becomes an understatement.
>>>
>>>When anyone POSTS a post like the one is thread, that's ASININE, and
>>>that's
>>>an understatement.
>>
>> What are you saying here -
>
>Just EXACTLY what I said.
>
>When anyone POSTS a post like the one is thread, that's ASININE, and that's
>an understatement.
>
>[snip stupidity]

I think the "stupidity" that Jan snipped here was a question about
people like Bronwyn Han***, who claim that there is scientific
evidence that it is impossible to hurt a baby by shaking it so all
cases of shaken baby syndrome are really vaccine damage. I'm not
surprised that she thinks that condemning madness like this is
"stupidity", because when some anti-vaccination liars were organising
a day of prayer for a man who beat a child to death and I asked if
anyone was going to pray for the child, Jan said "the child is dead,
there is no reason to pray for him".

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>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They'll use any argument and/or lie that they can, and this
>>>>>> "teenager shouldn't have sex" is just another piece of bull*** they
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> and will use
>>>>>
>>>>>Teenagers shouldn't have sex, regardless of the subject. This is NOT a
>>>>>lie.
>>>>
>>>> And what should the penalty be if they do, Jan?
>>>
>>>You can STOP right there. I am dealing with the LIES that are told and
>>>then
>>>transfered to more LIES such as anit- vac liars, which YOU started.
>
>[snip]
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>
>>
>>>Cancer, hepatitis B?
>>>> Serves them right, doesn't it?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (and do use for that matter, if I understand Peter Bowditch
>>>>>> correctly). They'll team up with anyone, including "a bunch of
>>>>>> conservatives", to achieve their goal.
>>>>>
>>>>>My, my, I just have never heard of such a thing, what a surprise!
>>>>
>>>> A couple of years ago the anti-vaccination liars
>>>
>>>There is no such thing.
>>
>> Oh, yes there is.
>
>I am simply tired of playing your silly liar liar games
>>
>>>
>>>[snip Vatican story]
>
>[snip]

You really can't cope with any catholic stuff, can you? All that
praying to saints and saying that it is OK to vaccinate children
because to do otherwise would be behaving badly.

For those who came in late, this is the second time that Jan has
snipped a story about how the Vatican refused to do the bidding of the
anti-vaccination liars and declare vaccination sinful. For those of
you who don't know Jan, she says that Catholics are pawns of Satan for
praying to saints. She will now deny this and say that she has never
said anything about Catholics, but was only referring to religions
whose members pray to saints.

>>
>>>>>
>>>>>With today's anti-science
>>>>>> attitude in conservative circles, I think the conservatives don't mind
>>>>>> working with them. And I posted this to MHA since the anti-vac lies
>>>>>
>>>>>Ooops, there's that liar liar game again.
>>>>>
>>>>> tend to come exclusively from the ranks of alternative medicine
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't say,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
>>>>>
>>>>>You just haven't noticed any other liars, here, another surprise, NOT.
>>>>>
>>>>>so I feel it's a valid subject here.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like a good little *GANG* LYING member.
>>>>
>>>> TING.
>>>> --
>>>> Peter Bowditch
>>>
>>>WETM
>>>
>> --
>> Peter Bowditch
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