Re: Scary new antivac story.

"JanD" <JanD@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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>"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> "JanD" <JanD@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>"JohnDoe" <dont@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>> jdeere2312@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>> Peter Bowditch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>jdeere2312@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
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>>>>>>>JohnDoe wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Have a look at this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/i_thought_we_drew_the_line_at_human_sacrifice_in_this_country/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How sick must you be to oppose a vaccine that's nearly 100% effective
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>preventing a form of cancer? I'm starting to think that Peter
>>>>>>>>Bowditch
>>>>>>>>is right in that people who oppose vaccination enjoy the suffering of
>>>>>>>>others. What an incredible bunch of sickos. And yes, this story
>>>>>>>>pissed
>>>>>>>>me off!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But the opponents here are primarily those who don't want
>>>>>>>teenagers to have any sexual activity. Not those who
>>>>>>>are opposed to vaccines on general principle. And not
>>>>>>>those who are opposed to the practice of adding
>>>>>>>mercury to vaccines to enhance its self life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am curious, why did you post this to misc.health.alternative?
>>>>>>>How does "teenagers shouldn't have sex" conservatism
>>>>>>>connect in your mind to "alternative medicine"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Because the "alternative medicine" people who oppose vaccination are
>>>>>>using "teenagers shouldn't have sex" as a way of opposing vaccination.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is totally nuts. The "teenagers shouldn't have sex" is a bunch
>>>>> of conservatives, who are primarily religious nuts.
>>>>>
>>>>> The people who oppose vaccines in general, tend to believe in
>>>>> natural health and stronger immune systems, and that
>>>>> too many vaccines may be causing undue stress on
>>>>> the body.
>>>>>
>>>>> The people who oppose putting mercury in vaccines, tend to believe
>>>>> mercury can be poisonous to humans.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only idiots or paranoids will think all these are the same.
>>>>> Oh, wait, there is another category -- PR crooks.
>>>>
>>>> The anti-vac liars
>>>
>>>I see you are play a liar liar game.
>>
>> No, it's not a game. These people really do tell lies.
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>OH. My, my how the rules change!
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>I shall keep this for future reference.

Do just that. I grant you full authority to say at any time in the
future when talking about anti-vaccination liars "These people do
really tell lies".


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>>> have only one goal - getting rid of vaccines (or
>>>> maybe seeing people suffer from disease is their ultimate goal
>>>
>>>I'll bet that's it! People just love to see people suffer from disease.
>>>
>>>Now WHO is lying?
>>
>> What other motivation could there be for measles parties, Jan, if it's
>> not to see children get measles?
>
>Measle parties weren't mentioned. I have never heard of measle parties.

You should pay more attention to anti-vaccination liars. Measles
parties are when you find a kid with measles and you invite all the
other kids in the neighbourhood around so that they can get infected
too. With luck, some of them will get meningitis from the measles and
will go blind or suffer intellectual retardation.

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>What could be the justification for the person who wrote to an
>anti-vaccination liar mailing list
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>There is no such thing, as anti-vaccination liars.
>
> asking if anyone knew where they could hear recordings of screaming
>children?
>
>So you say.

"Are there any audio's available of a baby's high pitched scream after
vaccination?"

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AVN/message/25805

Feel free to apologise any time you like.

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>>
>>>
>>>
>>>and getting rid of vaccines just a means, these people are so nuts it's
>>>hard
>>>> to tell).
>>>
>>>The comment, you made certainly is in that category, NUTS.
>>
>> When people tell me that it is impossible to harm a baby by shaking it
>> or that measles is "benign", the expression "these people are so nuts"
>> becomes an understatement.
>
>When anyone POSTS a post like the one is thread, that's ASININE, and that's
>an understatement.

What are you saying here - that it is asinine to say that children
can't be hurt by shaking? That measles is benign? I agree totally. It
is so asinine that it can be called "nuts".


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>>>
>>>
>>> They'll use any argument and/or lie that they can, and this
>>>> "teenager shouldn't have sex" is just another piece of bull*** they can
>>>> and will use
>>>
>>>Teenagers shouldn't have sex, regardless of the subject. This is NOT a
>>>lie.
>>
>> And what should the penalty be if they do, Jan?
>
>You can STOP right there. I am dealing with the LIES that are told and then
>transfered to more LIES such as anit- vac liars, which YOU started.

So what should happen to teens who have sex?

>Cancer, hepatitis B?
>> Serves them right, doesn't it?
>>
>>>
>>> (and do use for that matter, if I understand Peter Bowditch
>>>> correctly). They'll team up with anyone, including "a bunch of
>>>> conservatives", to achieve their goal.
>>>
>>>My, my, I just have never heard of such a thing, what a surprise!
>>
>> A couple of years ago the anti-vaccination liars
>
>There is no such thing.

Oh, yes there is.

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>[snip Vatican story]

I didn't think that you would like a story demonstrating how
anti-vaccination liars will do anything to get their perverted message
across. The fact that it had something to do with the saint-prayers
just made it harder for you to accept.

For those who wonder what the snipped "Vatican story" was, it was
about how the anti-vaccination liars tried to get the Vatican to rule
that vaccination is a mortal sin, but the Vatican instead said that
the health of children was important.


>>>
>>>With today's anti-science
>>>> attitude in conservative circles, I think the conservatives don't mind
>>>> working with them. And I posted this to MHA since the anti-vac lies
>>>
>>>Ooops, there's that liar liar game again.
>>>
>>> tend to come exclusively from the ranks of alternative medicine
>>>
>>>You don't say,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
>>>
>>>You just haven't noticed any other liars, here, another surprise, NOT.
>>>
>>>so I feel it's a valid subject here.
>>>
>>>Like a good little *GANG* LYING member.
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>> TING.
>> --
>> Peter Bowditch
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>WETM
>
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