Poor Richard H Jacobson
- From: "LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 02:17:37 GMT
Needs to move on with his life, *IF* he has one, and stop OBSESSING with:
What
Jan Drew said:
What Jan Drew thinks:
What Jan Drew did:
What he *thinks* Jan knows
What he *thinks* Jan needs to deal with
For the record:
I have ABSOLUTE NO GUILT concerning my parents.
That is a MADE UP STORY from LIAR Richard H Jacobson
Just like the one he made up less than one month after my dad died, that I
had not skipped a beat.
Which was ABSOLUTELY D E S P I C A B L E.
Following me to other newsgroups, which is *cyberstalking*
Posting that I lied about having mercury poisoning,
NOBODY CARES ANYMORE
That was seven years ago.
Richard H Jacobson CAN NOT LET IT GO!
Which is EXACTLY what he just acused me of and that is EXACTLY how Richard H
Jacobson works
Always accusing others of HIS EXACT GUILT!!
He is a VERY SICK MAN
Who needs help VERY BADLY!!!
EVERYONE CAN CLEARLY SEE HOW HE FOLLOWS MY POSTS!!
For any one who can not see that this is REPEATED behavior, and that Richard
H Jacobson's needs help, read the below.
This is how he treated another poster he did not like. It sounds all too
familar.
Rich will stop at NOTHING!!!!
( It is my opinion, knowing from Rich's past history, he is making up the
whole thing about the private e-mails, LYING)
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Subject: Stop the Abuse, Please
Dear insulted and abused,
The following have not let the free flow of objective information. They
have cluttered the newsgroup with insults and abusive language towards
many. I would suggest that those without Terms of Service that could
create a problem send lists of nonsense in protest to them 50, 100 or more
times when insulted by them directly. I have warned them that any
comments to me will be met by such action. I simply want them to leave me
alone and ignore my existence in the newsgroup. But, they seem to think
that they can abuse anyone at will.
Also, send messages with a copy of their remarks to their postmaster.
Please everyone do this to eliminate their rude behavior.
p_iann...@xxxxxxx
Paul Iannone
d...@xxxxxxxxx
Steve Dyer some people have forgotten to add information about
his abusive language and remarks
sruss...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Steve Harris, M.D. this person is under (Sandra Russell),
please correct me if wrong
richj @sirius.pixi.com or richj @pixi.com
Richard Jacobson aka Aloha, Rich you will notice that there is
a space between j and @. Whether or not this makes a difference I do not
know.
Subject: Aloha Rich's Purpose
Yes Judith, I realize that you think, because I confront Paul
repeatedly that it is I who have problems. While I realize that
I and I alone am responsible for my posts I ALSO believe
it VERY important to correct misinformation in a group that
deals with issues that may impinge critically on someones
health. I understand that you believe that if I just ignore
Paul and not respond to him that things will calm down.
I believe that Paul is a very dangerous individual, not
only because of the very ignorant suggestions that
he gives to people but because of this tremendous anger
that is within him. And if you believe that my continued
confrontation of his comments is a sign of problems with
me then while I respect you for your opinion I don't agree
with it.
You are ALSO quite correct that I am talking alot about
Paul's behavior. It is his behavior that is his defining
characteristic and if you don't see that well open
your eyes. Paul is assassinating his own character
by the way he posts. Judith, I suspect that YOU see
no problem with Paul's behavior. Or if you do YOU feel
it is best ignored. This is YOUR choice. If you ignore
a cancer it will not just go away.
How am I defending DS through character assassination
Judith? DS stands on her own. Ironic that you should
mention this because when I first posted to this group
appealing for discussion and open mindedness YOU
sent me a private email attacking DS for the way she
posted. Funny that you did not mention anything about
Paul's inappropriateness when you first emailed me.
Guess you alternatavists need to stick together. If
it is your objective to somehow protect Paul against
character assassination it may be useful to get Paul
to see how he plays a big role in this problem. If he
does not see that and I suddenly go away and post
no more it is likely that someone else will confront
him for his outrageous behavior. And if no one does
confront him then they are just sticking their head
in the sand. I choose NOT to ignore him. You can
choose what you like Judith and you can believe
what you want about the nature of the problems
in this newsgroup. You can choose to believe
that the major problem is those people who choose
to provide a conventional perspective in this
group and who ask for validation and objective
evidence of what is presented. Again this is YOUR
choice and it appears as if you are making that
choice.
aloha,
Rich
....@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (Judith A. Linn) wrote:
>In <3s1kha$...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> richj @pixi.com (Richard Jacobson)
>writes:
>Edited
>>>>The hostility that Paul is expressing is quite frightening and based
>>>>upon his virtually complete denial that he has any psychologic
>>>>problems the danger of him acting out his hostility is quite great.
>This is in actuality none of your business. You are exhibiting the
>same behaviors.
Yes Judith I realize that you believe I am exhibiting the same
behaviors. Have I been physically threatening toward Paul.
I specifically was referring to his threat to "beat the crap
out of me". While he does not frighten me personally I
do suspect that he is capable of expressing his anger
in a destructive way. And while I realize that you may
think that I also harbor a great deal of pent up anger
while I don't agree, I will respect you for expressing
that belief.
>>>>Someone once asked "Is there a hell"? The response was
>>>>"No, not really but I hear LA is coming close". Well the likes
>>>>of people like PI are making it be that way. It is quite
>>>>frightening indeed. Unfortunately the likelihood of Paul getting
>>>>help with his problems is less than a snowballs chance in hell.
>Again this is none of your business. And amounts to character
>assasination on your part. This certainly says something about your
>character and makes all of us wonder about your motivations.
Yes Judith I realize that you do not think it is anyones business
if someone else may be a threat to society. I disagree with you.
Several months ago I heard someone yelling outside and went
out to find someone trying to assault and rob an elderly man.
I stopped him. I could have ignored it and said it was none
of my business. I did not. And I will continue in my own life
to try to identify threats and do things to try to counter them
realizing that I have great limitations in that regard. But if
I could alert people to the danger then at least I could feel
more comfortable with myself. It is in my nature.
>This has nothing to do with exchanging information about misc.
>health.alternatives.
Perhaps topics within this newsgroup have a broader nature
than you think. Character, honesty, tolerance, empathy,
understanding are all important aspects of any health
system. And it seems to me that many who post in this
group talk more about these qualities than they do
about chemistry, anatomy, scientific evidence,
pathophysiology. I believe they are important topics
and if individuals in this group have such character
defects to make their advice or healing abilities
questionable then this is fair game to discuss IMO.
I would like to just discuss things intelligently but
when the typical response to one of my
INFORMATIONAL posts is "you idiot, you know
nothing of what you say, rip a new anus why
don't you" it is quite difficult to then continue
a discussion along the ways that would be most
useful. Those who read these posts will decide
for themselves who is making an EFFORT to
discuss things and who is just preaching and
mindlessly criticizing others with very little
basis other than not agreeing with the ideology.
This is not an unimportant subject. More people
have died over the years due to intolerance
of others ideology. I believe we are witnessing
an example of this kind of hatred and anger
within this group. It NEEDS to be talked about!!!
Aloha,
Rich
While I respect your opinion I disagree with it. His dangerousness has
to do with making medical recommendations with very little
understanding of anatomy, pathophysiology and pharmacology.
His dangerousness also has to do with his paranoia and tendency
to rage when someone should disagree with him. This character
profile is a dangerous one. We can agree to disagree.
>>You are ALSO quite correct that I am talking alot about
>>Paul's behavior. It is his behavior that is his defining
>>characteristic and if you don't see that well open
>>your eyes. Paul is assassinating his own character
>>by the way he posts.
>> Judith, I suspect that YOU see
>>no problem with Paul's behavior. Or if you do YOU feel
>>it is best ignored.
>Obviously from my posts here and to you privately..... I see lots of
>problems with the communication on this newsgroup. I see that Paul has
>been unable to post the kinds of information that he is best at because
>he is unable to disengage himself from the flaming with you and several
>others.
While I understand that you think that the primary problem is with
people who criticize Paul I would suggest that you consider the
manner that Paul replies when ANYONE posts something that
he does not agree with. One does not have to confront Paul
to set him off. One needs only to disagree with him. HIS inability
to discuss things rationally without juvenile antics is apparent.
Look at the recent discussion of him recommending diuretic
for BPH. He is incapable of discussing anything. He only
preaches.
>> This is YOUR choice. If you ignore
>>a cancer it will not just go away.
>This is a response on your part way out of proportion to what Paul
>does.
We can agree to disagree. If I suddenly disappeared from this
group not much would change in terms of the dynamics.
Sometimes it is difficult to see what the problem really is.
>>How am I defending DS through character assassination
>>Judith? DS stands on her own. Ironic that you should
>>mention this because when I first posted to this group
>>appealing for discussion and open mindedness YOU
>>sent me a private email attacking DS for the way she
>>posted.
>Yes that is what I did and I stand by what I said. DS posted by making
>attacks, posted without the ability for one to respond to "it"
>privately. (I still don't know if ds was female, male, or a group.)
>> Funny that you did not mention anything about
>>Paul's inappropriateness when you first emailed me.
>It was not the purpose of that e-mail to talk about Paul.
>I have at various times both privately and on this group taken Paul on.
>Paul never called anyone a quack.... to say the least.
>And he is not the only one that swears on this newsgroup.
I know. The purpose was to character assassinate DS. You
are quite correct that Paul has never used the term "quack"
I am not sure what the signifigance of this fact is. "Quack"
IMO is much less offensive than the language that Paul
posts. "Quack" refers to someone who presents falsely
of having curative powers. I suspect that many who read
Paul's posts believe that he fits this definition. I for one
do. I don't necessarily think that Paul does this in
a willful fraudulent way as he initially interpretted DS's
statement but I for one don't believe that Paul has
the curative powers that he claims. But this is just
my opinion. If others believe that he does have these
powers it is their choice to believe that.
>>Guess you alternatavists need to stick together. If
>>it is your objective to somehow protect Paul against
>>character assassination it may be useful to get Paul
>>to see how he plays a big role in this problem.
>You haven't hit the mark yet with Paul. What makes you think that you
>will?
Who says that you are the policeperson of this newsgroup?
I don't believe that I EVER said I was the policeman of the
group. I express my opinion in this group. Paul on the other
hand HAS acted as policeman suggesting that others
are "guests" of this group implying somehow that he
is the "host". All of his posturing, chest beating is an
attempt to control this group. I have NO interest in
controlling the group but only to present my opinion.
I am relatively new on this group. How were things
with Paul before I came around. Based upon what I have
read things have not really changed very much.
Just different names.
>> If he does not see that and I suddenly go away and post
>>no more it is likely that someone else will confront
>>him for his outrageous behavior. And if no one does
>>confront him then they are just sticking their head
>>in the sand. I choose NOT to ignore him. You can
>>choose what you like Judith and you can believe
>>what you want about the nature of the problems
>>in this newsgroup. You can choose to believe
>>that the major problem is those people who choose
>>to provide a conventional perspective in this
>>group and who ask for validation and objective
>>evidence of what is presented. Again this is YOUR
>>choice and it appears as if you are making that
>>choice.
>>aloha,
>>Rich
>This last paragraph doesn't sound much like your original premise for
>being on this news group. Validation and objective evidence can be
>asked for.... that is part of the dialogue....but only part of the
>dialogue. Where is the harmony you used to ask for. Seems that your
>sole purpose for being on this newsgroup at the moment is to get Paul.
Original premise for my being in group? You mean to learn about
alternative treatments? As difficult as it may be for you to believe
Judith it is my opinion that Paul is the primary reason why people
don't post here. And if you don't see his posts and responses
as an embarassment to alternative health care I just don't know
what to say. Yes I understand that you think that I am only out
to get Paul. As difficult as it may be for you to believe I try to
find things that Paul says to agree with. It sometimes is difficult
but when I do, I acknowledge it. One post of his comes to mind
in which he recommended exercise to prevent future osteoporosis
instead of relying solely on medication or supplements. Not
only do I agree with this but I posted this agreement with Paul
saying that he was quite correct. I have been trying to do this
all along. And there have been a few other occasions where
I have agreed with what he posted. But I can't help it if I find
his posts quite objectionable and confront him about them.
I have also confronted the likes of Mike, Henry, and George
among others as I am sure you are aware.
Aloha,
Rich
The hostility that Paul is expressing is quite frightening and based
upon his virtually complete denial that he has any psychologic
problems the danger of him acting out his hostility is quite great.
Someone once asked "Is there a hell"? The response was
"No, not really but I hear LA is coming close". Well the likes
of people like PI are making it be that way. It is quite
frightening indeed. Unfortunately the likelihood of Paul getting
help with his problems is less than a snowballs chance in hell.
Aloha,
Rich
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