Re: Do You Hate Alternative Medicine?


"LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Rich" <joshew@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> "LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> "Martin" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:18:51 GMT, "C.Health" <chealth@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hello Martin,
>>>>>
>>>>>All of my clients have their doctor's permission to follow the holistic
>>>>>protocol. I just got permission from an oncologist in Boston to work
>>>>>with
>>>>>his patient who has inoperable brain cancer.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know when you've cured that patient, publish that result in
>>>> medical journal and I'll become a believer. I'm not holding my breath
>>>> though.
>>>
>>> Now, now, Martin.
>>>
>>> Is that how you woul talk to you doctor?
>>>
>>> I want you to *cure*me and publish it in a medical journal?
>>
>> Martin's doctor is not promising remarkable results from unproven
>> methods.
>
> I repeat:

Yes, you repeat yourself often in the mistaken notion that it will
strengthen your weak argument. It won't.


>>>>> I have worked with M.D.s since 1984 and they are quite open minded
>>>>> once they read the studies, and see the
>>>>>results.
>>>>
>>>> What studies? What results? Where are they published? Below you claim
>>>> there is nobody who is going to do any studies and here you claim you
>>>> can show M.D.s studies to read? Something doesn't add up here.
>>>
>>> And the poster isn't on trial.
>>
>> The poster claims "studies" and "results". Then he uses the favorite
>> altie whine that nobody will fund studies. Such contradiction deserves to
>> be pointed out.
>
>>
>>>
>>> Do read the charter of this newsgroup.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you are in the wrong place.
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>> We're discussing "alternative medicine" here. Where else would you
>> suggest?
>>
> Sci. med, sci skeptic

No, the topic is alternative medicine, not scientific medicine. Although it
would also be appropriate for sci.skeptic, this is the more focused and
appropriate newsgroup for this discussion.


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> DISCUSSION:
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> Alternative approaches to health care are clearly of interest to many
> readers, but there is currently no group in which general non-technical
> discussions would be appropriate. Discussions do occur in "sci.med",
> but are generally counter to that newsgroup's purpose, as readers there
> have noted. "sci.skeptic" is an appropriate newsgroup for scientific
> investigation of alternative therapies, but not for general discussion.
>
> Scientific proof or verificability of facts will *not* be required in
> "misc.health.alternative", although posters should keep their
> credibility in mind. Even though verificability will not be required,
> posters are urged to post only what they believe to be true, and to
> post or be prepared to post citations, references, sources, etc.

Precisely. "C.Health" claims he shows "studies" to doctors which cures their
skepitcism. He should be prepared to post those studies.



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>>>>
>>>>> They too start out as skeptics. When a person is critical, of
>>>>>course they should follow traditional medicine to stabilize.
>>>>
>>>> There it is again. Whenever there is a real problem, alternative
>>>> medicine is powerless, but once the problem is solved, it apparently
>>>> works miracles. Sure.
>>>
>>> Ummm. Miracles are your words.
>>
>> The poster who calls himself claims to have cured IBD, fibromyalgia,
>> chronic fatigue, rheumatoid arthritis, myeloproliferative disorder,
>> esophageal reflux, infertility, hypothyroidism, "etc." If true, those
>> cures would be miraculous indeed.
>>
>>
>> Is there NO "alternative medicine" bunkum that you do not accept at face
>> value, Jan?
>
> bankum?
>
> WHY are you here, Rich?

To balance out the group so that it won't be a mutual masturbation society
of loons like you and C.Health.



>
> You not only HATE alternative medicine, you believe there is no such
> thing. You would like to see it disappear.

Not only do you not know what I believe, the above statement is impossible.
If I believed there were no such thing, I could neither hate it nor want to
see it disappear.



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> It's NOT going to happen.
>
> You need to spend more time facing the FACT of WHY people are DISSATISFIED
> with conventional medicine.

Some people are dissatisfied with conventional medicine because it doesn't
pander to their magical thinking. Of course, when they get really sick, they
come running back to their doctor, because, deep down, they know that aroma
therapy, or Reiki, or reflexology, or iridology, or "energy healing" or the
ilk are not going to find and treat the real problem.


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> It is interesting to note the title of this thread.
>
> NOT one single debunker, anwered the question.
>
> YOU, Rich, insist on LYING, every time you post.

No, you insist on calling someone a liar every time you post. You cannot
point to any lie by me; this is just a reflex by you.
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--Rich

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