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"David Wright" <wright@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> In article <1124068445.340545.69880@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> <jdeere2312@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>David Wright wrote:
>>> In article <1123688391.170219.58940@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>>> <jdeere2312@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> >As for Peter Bowditch, CathyB et al, they may or may not be KOLs
>>> >themselves. But if they are not paid KOLs, surely they
>>> >have been manipulated by such paid KOLs directly or
>>> >indirectly, for these people have taken all leave of
>>> >their common sense and are total followers of
>>> >conventional-med to the point of blind superstition!
>>>
>>> "Surely?" It must be nice to be you. God forbid that any doubt
>>> should ever enter your mind.
>>
>>Well, I don't have a lot of ego, so if I were to find out I had
>>missed something and was wrong, I would have just posted an
>>apology/retraction. After doing a lot of that, you tend to get very
>>confident of the things that you DO stick with -- but what may not
>>come through is that I am still and always willing to listen to
>>reason and reverse myself if _proven_ wrong. (No, it is still not
>>reason/proof because you have said N times it is. N+1 won't do
>>either. Sorry.)
>
> Don't tell me, tell Jan Drew and George Lagergren. They're two of the
> major proponents of "if you post a falsehood enough times, it
> magically becomes true."

Improvements in health from removal of amalgams


http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/63.htm


Studies have demonstrated that the removal of dental mercury amalgam
fillings
can result in definitive and significant improvements in overall health
status.The Foundation for Toxic-Free Dentistry compiled data on 1,569
patients
from six different sources. Of particular interest in the FTFD analysis
report
isthe fact that 14% of patients experienced some form of allergic
symptomology
and that 89% reported that their condition had improved or was entirely
eliminated after removal of their silver/mercury dental amalgam
fillings.Systemic mercury toxicity appears to have a direct causal
relationship
to the development of allergic sensitivity to foods, chemicals and other
environmental factors.


Extrapolating the FTFD data to the approximately 140 million individuals
with
mercury dental amalgams in the U.S, there would be about 19.6million
people
(14%) with mercury amalgam-related allergies, and, 89% or about17.4
million
people would experience the amelioration or disappearance of
theirallergies by
simply having their silver/ mercury dental amalgam fillings replaced with
non-mercury, hypoallergenic composite dental fillings.


http://tinyurl.com/2xcpp


Oral lichenoid reactions associated with amalgam: improvement after amalgam
removal.


Dunsche A, Kastel I, Terheyden H, Springer IN, Christophers E, Brasch J.


Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery, University of Kiel,
Arnold-Heller-Str. 16, Germany. duns...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


BACKGROUND: The pathogenetic relationship between oral lichenoid reactions
(OLR) and dental amalgam fillings is still a matter of controversy.
OBJECTIVES: To determine the diagnostic value of patch tests with amalgam
and inorganic mercury (INM) and the effect of amalgam removal in OLR
associated with amalgam fillings. METHODS: In 134 consecutive patients 467
OLR were classified according to clinical criteria. One hundred and
fifty-nine biopsies from OLR lesions were histologically diagnosed according
to the World Health Organization criteria for oral lichen planus (OLP) and
compared with 47 OLP lesions from edentulous patients without amalgam
exposure. One hundred and nineteen patients were patch tested with an
amalgam series. In 105 patients (357 of 467 lesions) the amalgam fillings
were removed regardless of the patch test results and OLR were re-examined
within a follow-up period of about 3 years. Twenty-nine patients refused
amalgam removal and were taken as a control group. RESULTS: Eleven patients
with OLR (8.2%) had skin lesions of lichen planus (LP). Histologically, the
lesions in the OLR group could not be distinguished from those seen in the
OLP group. Thirty-three patients (27.7%) showed a positive patch test to INM
or amalgam. Amalgam removal led to benefit in 102 of 105 patients (97.1%),
of whom 31 (29.5%) were cured completely. Of 357 lesions, 213 (59.7%)
cleared after removal of amalgam, whereas 65 (18.2%) did not improve. In the
control group without amalgam removal (n = 29) only two patients (6.9%)
showed an improvement (P < 0.05). Amalgam removal had the strongest impact
on lesions of the tongue compared with lesions at other sites (P < 0.05),
but had very little impact on intraoral lesions in patients with cutaneous
LP compared with patients without cutaneous lesions (P < 0.05). Patients
with a positive patch test reaction to amalgam showed complete healing more
frequently than the amalgam-negative group (P < 0.05). After an initial cure
following amalgam removal, 13 lesions (3.6%) in eight patients (7.6%)
recurred after a mean of 14.6 months. CONCLUSIONS: Of all patients with OLR
associated with dental amalgam fillings, 97.1% benefited from amalgam
removal regardless of patch test results with amalgam or INM. We suggest
that the removal of amalgam fillings can be recommended in all patients with
symptomatic OLR associated with amalgam fillings if no cutaneous LP is
present.


PMID: 12534597 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


http://tinyurl.com/bodxc


Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 1999;20(5):289-298. Related Articles, Links


Metal-specific lymphocytes: biomarkers of sensitivity in man.


Stejskal VD, Danersund A, Lindvall A, Hudecek R, Nordman V, Yaqob A, Mayer
W, Bieger W, Lindh U.


Dept Clinical Chemistry, Danderyd Hospital and Karolinska Institute,
Stockholm, Sweden. vera.mel...@xxxxxxxxxx


Many patients attribute their health problems to amalgam and other dental
metals. In genetically susceptible indviduals, mercury and gold may function
as haptens and elicit allergic and autoimmune reactions. The frequency of
metal-induced lymphocyte responses was examined in 3,162 patients in three
European laboratories using MELISA(R), an optimized lymphocyte proliferation
test. The patients suffered from local and systemic symptoms attributed to
dental restorations. The effect of dental metal removal was studied in 111
patients with metal hypersensitivity and symptoms resembling Chronic Fatigue
Syndrome (CFS). After consultation with a dentist the patients decided to
replace their metal restorations with non-metallic materials. The changes in
health and in vitro lymphocyte reactivity were studied by inquiries and
follow-up MELISA(R). Lymphocyte reactivity was also analyzed in 116 healthy
subjects with no complaints of metal allergy. A significant number of
patients had metal-specific lymphocytes in the blood. Nickel was the most
common sensitizer, followed by inorganic mercury, gold, phenylmercury,
cadmium and palladium. As compared to lymphocyte responses in healthy
subjects, the CFS group had significantly increased responses to several
metals, especially to inorganic mercury, phenylmercury and gold. Following
dental metal removal, 83 patients (76%) reported long-term health
improvement. Twenty-four patients (22%) reported unchanged health and two
(2%) reported worsening of symptoms. Following dental metal replacement, the
lymphocyte reactivity to metals decreased as well. We propose that an
inflammatory process induced by metals may modulate the
hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA axis) and trigger multiple
non-specific symptoms characterizing CFS and other chronic conditions like
myalgic encephalitis (ME) and multiple chemical sensitivity (MCS).


PMID: 11460087 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&;...


We present a case of exercise-induced anaphylaxis with improvement
following
the removal of dental amalgam. Although her symptoms were unresponsive to
various kinds of therapy until removal of the amalgam, her symptoms
related to
exercise improved remarkably after the removal. The increase in plasma
histamine levels for exercise provocation test also improved. This
suggests
that sensitivity to metals might cause exercise-induced asthma in some
patients.


Headache and backache responded best to treatment, but> >>all symptoms
showed
considerable improvement on average. Of the respondents, 78% reported that
they
were either satisfied or very satisfied with the results of treatment, and
9.5%
reported that they were disappointed.


http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/index.html


I. DENTAL AMALGAM FILLINGS PAGE- documents high common mercury exposure
levels
from dental amalgam fillings; and common adverse health effects on people
and
dental staff; plus results of 60,000 clinical cases of significant
improvements
to chronic conditions after amalgam replacement and treatment- as followed
and
documented by doctors; plus environmental effects of amalgam that affect
everyone.
(over 1500 peer-reviewed medical study or Gov't Agency references
documenting
mechanisms by which mercury from amalgam causes over 30
chronic health conditions)


http://www.lichtenberg.dk/experience_after_amalgam_removal.htm


http://www.lichtenberg.dk/symptoms_before_and_after_proper.htm


http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/EN/frame_r.html#V


http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Dentist/crawford76.htm


http://www.notdoctors.com/mercfill.html


http://www.testfoundation.org/amalgremove.htm


http://tinyurl.com/5ddzt


Altern Ther Health Med. 2000 Jul;6(4):49-55. Related Articles, Links


Results of dental amalgam removal and mercury detoxification using DMPS and
neural therapy.


Kidd RF.


Sixty consecutive patients who had undergone replacement of dental amalgam
fillings and a protocol of nutritional support and heavy metal
detoxification using dimercapto-propanyl-sulfate and neural therapy were
surveyed. A questionnaire was mailed to the patients and 42 responded,
resulting in a response rate of 70%. The reasons for undergoing treatment
were many, ranging from a patient's desire to avoid potential health
problems in the future to treatment of serious current disease. Although
medical diagnoses were made when possible before treatment, this survey
studied only the patients' estimations of their most distressing symptoms
and their evaluations of response to treatment. The most common complaints
were problems with memory and/or concentration; muscle and/or joint pain;
anxiety and insomnia; stomach, bowel, and bladder complaints; depression;
food or chemical sensitivities; numbness or tingling; and eye symptoms, in
descending order of frequency. The most distressing symptoms were headache
and backache, fatigue, and memory and concentration problems. Headache and
backache responded best to treatment, but all symptoms showed considerable
improvement on average. Of the respondents, 78% reported that they were
either satisfied or very satisfied with the results of treatment, and 9.5%
reported that they were disappointed.


PMID: 10895513 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


http://www.earthtym.net/merc-recover2.htm


http://www.cqs.com/amalgam.htm



>
>>On the flip side, I imagine it must be rather hard to be one of the
>>many people who need to defend any positions, once taken, or else
>>take a severe blow to the ego!
>>
>>In any case, the "surely" is not so out of order. Here are the
>>details, if you wish to shoot it full of holes:
>
> Thanks.
>
>>Premise: Pharma top executives are not stupid. On the contrary.
>
> Probably true, but they may have their blind spots, and even smart
> people can dig themselves into deep holes for various reasons.
>
>>Fact: Pharma top executives pay a lot of money to KOLs.
>>
>>Logical Deduction 1: KOLs are effective.
>
> Or at least the executives think so.
>
>>LD 2: KOLs reach people in direct/indirect ways.
>
> That's not a logical deduction, it's an assumption on your part,
> though it seems plausible to me.
>
>>LD 3: There must be several millions of people out
>>there, who think what pharmas want them to think. Not
>>because of any rationality, but because of LD 1 and LD 2.
>
> And advertising. Don't forget advertising. You have to assume
> advertising works also, because so much money is spent on it.
>
>>LD 4: Because of necessity, some of the messages of the KOLs have to
>>be misleading (otherwise the pharmas would be very stupid to be
>>spending money on them, if the KOL was going to come up with the same
>>message without any interference.)
>
> Because they're an independent source. Even if I tell you the truth
> about something, if I have a vested interest in what I'm saying,
> you're more likely to be convinced by someone who looks independent.
>
>>LD 5: Affected millions will behave in slightly irrational manners
>>when the subject matter comes up.
>
> Well, maybe. But since most people behave in irrational manners
> anyway (just look at the sales of lottery tickets), you're going to
> have to do better than this.
>
>>Opinion: Peter Bowditch/CathyB &co behave in totally irrational
>>manner within the ng. (This is only an opinion, so you can't shoot
>>this one down. If you disagree, go find your own affected millions.
>>Strong Hint: They are not within the alt-med supporters on this ng.)
>
> Since, as you say, it's your opinion, I can't necessarily change it
> short of kidnapping and brainwashing you. However, I can *disagree*
> with it, and I do. I've never found Peter Bowditch or cathyb to be
> particularly irrational.
>
>>LD 6: PB and CB are highly likely to be two of the
>>millions of people with whom the KOLs have been effective.
>
> No, in the case of PB, I know he does quite a bit of outside research,
> goes to conferences, and so on. I have no idea what cathyb does with
> her spare time.
>
>>Hence "surely" is a reasonable adjective.
>
> To you, perhaps. You've done a very poor job of convincing me,
> however.
>
> -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
> These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
> "There's nothing to be afraid of -- this is America!" I said,
> realizing instantly that this was the funniest line I had
> ever spoken. -- Jack Douglas


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