Re: Opinions on Echinacea


PeterB wrote:
> Orac wrote:
> > In article <1122666773.066933.37950@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > "PeterB" <pkm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > JohnDoe wrote:
> > > > PeterB wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Mike wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>I think natural medicine as well as mainstream medicine can offer
> > > > >>benefits. It sometimes appears that people feel like they can only use
> > > > >>one or the other and one side never wants to believe anything proposed
> > > > >>by the opposing side.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>With this in mind. I was curious to know what people thought of the
> > > > >>new study on Echinacea which debunks it as basically useless.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Any thoughts?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Mike
> > > > >>http://www.ultimatehealthreport.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Remember that NO study proves anything definitively, and many of the
> > > > > latest studies appear to be poorly designed.
> > > >
> > > > Of course all studies proving your point are well-designed and definitive.
> > >
> > > No, I evaluate the evidence and let it speak for itself. You Pharma
> > > Bloggers talk about "proof" as if science deals in absolutes, which is
> > > not the case. Science is about the quality of data and proponderance
> > > of the evidence.
> >
> > Indeed it is. You're also attacking a straw man, by the way. Scientists
> > usually don't speak in absolutes, alties do.
>
> Actually, PEOPLE speak in absolutes, because that's a trait of human
> nature. If you want to talk about *science*, however, we can talk
> about the scientific method and how human bias drives interpretation.
> Data doesn't stand alone, and evidence without interpretation is
> meaningless.
>
> > See:
> >
> > http://oracknows.blogspot.com/2005/07/dealing-with-conflict.html
>
> I'd rather not. I have this feeling that you are really trying to sell
> me vacuum cleaners.
>
> > Unfortunately, the "preponderance of evidence" does not support the
> > efficacy of most alt-med therapies.
>
> There is an incredible body of evidence supporting the use of nutrients
> in human health, and a growing realization that most disease is the
> result of nutrient insufficiency. Your statement is not only vague but
> highly subjective. What do you mean by "most alt-med therapies?" Name
> all the ones you don't believe work as promoted.
>
> > Oh, and BTW, referring to me (or anyone else) as a "Pharma blogger" is a
> > logical fallacy, namely the ad hominem attack. It doesn't address the
> > argument but merely attacks the person. It's intellectually lazy.
>
> It's not a logical fallacy to identify you as a Pharma Blogger using
> patterns of interaction associated with such behaviour.

Unfortunately, since the "patterns of interaction associated with such
behaviour" exist only in Petey's head, and change daily, this is not
evidence. So far these "patterns" have included:

1. Defending pharmeceutical companies.

2. Attacking pharmeceutical companies.

3. Disagreeing with PeteyB.

4. Promoting alt therapies (yeah, that one was good).

5. Attacking alt therapies

6. Posting a lot.

7. Not posting a lot.

8. Posting.

Debating anything of substance with this individual is pointless, since
he has a fallback position of 'pharmablogger!' which he uses pretty
much as Lollipop does 'liar!' to enable him to ignore any argument at
all..

> And it's those
> tactics of interaction that PREVENT a discussion about the merits of
> natural medicine from progressing. As with all Pharma Bloggers, your
> remarks are ipso facto declarations, not the pronouncements of science
> as you would have us believe.

You see?


>
> PeterB

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