Re: Opinions on Echinacea



In article <1122666773.066933.37950@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"PeterB" <pkm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> JohnDoe wrote:
> > PeterB wrote:
> >
> > > Mike wrote:
> > >
> > >>I think natural medicine as well as mainstream medicine can offer
> > >>benefits. It sometimes appears that people feel like they can only use
> > >>one or the other and one side never wants to believe anything proposed
> > >>by the opposing side.
> > >>
> > >>With this in mind. I was curious to know what people thought of the
> > >>new study on Echinacea which debunks it as basically useless.
> > >>
> > >>Any thoughts?
> > >>
> > >>Mike
> > >>http://www.ultimatehealthreport.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Remember that NO study proves anything definitively, and many of the
> > > latest studies appear to be poorly designed.
> >
> > Of course all studies proving your point are well-designed and definitive.
>
> No, I evaluate the evidence and let it speak for itself. You Pharma
> Bloggers talk about "proof" as if science deals in absolutes, which is
> not the case. Science is about the quality of data and proponderance
> of the evidence.

Indeed it is. You're also attacking a straw man, by the way. Scientists
usually don't speak in absolutes, alties do.

See:

http://oracknows.blogspot.com/2005/07/dealing-with-conflict.html

Unfortunately, the "preponderance of evidence" does not support the
efficacy of most alt-med therapies.

Oh, and BTW, referring to me (or anyone else) as a "Pharma blogger" is a
logical fallacy, namely the ad hominem attack. It doesn't address the
argument but merely attacks the person. It's intellectually lazy.

See:

http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/07/ad_hominem.html

--
Orac |"I am not *trying* to tell you anything. I am simply not
| interested in trying to compensate for your amazing lack
| of observation."
| http://oracknows.blogspot.com
.



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