Re: Building shoulders

"Tom Anderson" <twic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008, Steve Freides wrote:

"Tom Anderson" <twic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008, Steve Freides wrote:

"Tom Anderson" <twic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, Stromata wrote:

So there are 3 basic movements:

Press
Lateral raises
Front raises

And upright rows.

And a lot of other things, too.

Helpful. You're a helpful guy.

When I aim, I aim to please - just wasn't aiming this time. :)

All kidding aside, there is really quite an assortment of exercises
one
can do for one's shoulders. You adding one to the original list of
three does not, IMHO, accomplish much.

Hey, it's a 33% increase!

A better discussion would be had if we knew what the goals and tools
available to reach them were, e.g., whether isolation or compound
movements were favored, what equipment was available (machine, cable,
bands, db, kb, bar), if there is any injury history to be considered
here, etc.

And that was my point - a list of three, four, or ten shoulder
exercises will not be exhaustive, and it will be of completely
unknown effectiveness until more information is available about what,
and with what, one is trying to accomplish.

I fully endorse the idea of considering as much information as
possible when making the decision.

But i don't think there are as many shoulder exercises as you think,
because a lot of them are essentially the same exercise. For the
isolations in particular - any anterior deltoid isolation exercise is
equivalent to any other, since that's what an isolation exercise is.
There are two muscles we're talking about here, anterior and lateral
deltoid (not sure why we're ignoring the posterior - i guess i think
of that has part of the back), and that means that there are just two
isolation exercises. You can do them in all sorts of ways, with
dumbbells, barbells, machines, cables, bands, kettlebells, swingbells,
farm implements, whatever, but they're all the same exercise, at least
as far as the deltoid is concerned.

For the compound movements, things are not a lot more complicated.
Dumbbell shoulder and Arnold presses, barbell shoulder, military and
behind-neck presses, some kind of machine, cable, or band press -
they're all the same exercise, with minor and largely irrelevant
variations.

How about pushups (pressups for UK brethren)? I think the discussion of
bench press versus pushup is an interesting one. I've been doing
one-armed pushups lately, and it sure feels like a shoulder exercise to
me! One could certainly include the bench press as well (and the
discussion of bench press versus pushup is an interesting one in terms
of what gets worked and how).

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

tom

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