Re: How to gain weight and build muscle


"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Dnia 2008-03-28 Homer Simpson napisa³(a):

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Dnia 2008-03-27 Homer Simpson napisa³(a):


grams of protein per day is all I need to build muscle. If a person
takes
in
all their protein once a day I seriously doubt they would build muscle.

Sumo wrestlers eat twice a day. They have the most muscles of all
people (heavyweight bodybuilders included).

This I would have to look into. I have a difficult time believing it is
true.

http://www.martialedge.net/articles/fitness-and-nutrition/composition-of-sumo-wrestlers-to-athletes-in-combat-and-other-sports/
We conclude that sumo wrestlers have some of the largest percent body
~~~~~~~
fat and fat-free mass and the lowest "aerobic muscle quality" (VO2max
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/SMM), both in combat sport and compared to aerobic and power sport
athletes.

Here sumo wrestler won arm wrestling competition with a bodybuilder.
http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3179
(supposedly, I haven't watched it)

http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200422/000020042204A0700650.php
However, only 40% of the wrestlers (n=6) were categorized as obese when
%Fat was used as the reference (%Fat>25%). Furthermore, the body
%composition chart clearly showed that some Sumo wrestlers were no more
%adipose than the non-athlete students. Due to their remarkable muscle
%development, Sumo wrestlers have an excessive fat-free mass.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There was one more study, which I quoted here once, but have no time to
search for now, which analyzed FFM of elite sumo wrestlers, bodybuilders
and powerlifters. Sumo wrestlers had by far the most muscles of the lot,
then powerlifters closely followed by bodybuilders.

I just read your link and found it quite fascinating. I stand corrected.


From what I have seen Sumo wrestlers are just fat. They use their
weight as leverage to push another wrestler out of a circle.

They throw them out of the circle quite often too. They lift each other
every morning, which is resistance training with 500 lbs of weight!
They are fat, of course, but not just fat. Let's say that we have a
500-pounder with generous 30% BF. This guy has 350 lbs of pure FFM!
And they start as fairly normal 200 lbs people; large, for asians, but
nothing special for westerners. They more than double their mass
through training and nutrition.

That simply is not true. There are both studies and every day
observation which show, that even if we eat a pound of meat at one
sitting we don't piss concentrated ammonia afterwards. ;-)

Sometimes I am not so sure..oh yeah..thats when I eat asparagus. However
it
is passed through feces as well. Just takes longer.

Anyway, nitrogen balance isn't as tricky as you seem to believe. Our
bodies will make use of available resources even if they aren't
delivered with clockwork accuracy.

Agreed..but the available resources where protein is concerned is muscle
tissue. If you are trying to gain muscle mass or get stronger you don't want
the body to use hard earned muscle.

Thats why frequent meals are so effective. More nutrients are
absorbed from the same amount of food when it is spread out over
several
smaller portions during the day.

Nutrients yes, but not just proteins. Actually this frequent meal
thingy is probably related mostly to glycogen, which happens to be a
carbohydrate.

I specifically said nutrients because I was not trying to communicate it
was
just protein. However protein is one of the nutrients and the target for
muscle recovery/building.

I don't believe it. I'm not really in the mood to discuss this topic
with another person, so let's leave it at that.

It is my understanding that stored protein is muscle. When the body
starts
using that you run into atrophy.

Your body uses proteins to fuel itself when your glycogen stores get
low.

Thats part of why "marathon" weight training workouts are ineffective.

Well, they worked for Ahnold, didn't they? It's not very difficult to
replenish your carb sources with simply drinking something sweet
throughout your marathon session.

Arnold used to write about how he cycled his drugs in M&F as did many other
bodybuilders when I first took up weight training. With medicinal aid, yes
marathon workouts can be effective, I was speaking of the drug free or
natural bodybuilder or powerlifter. Unfortunately the studies I have to
prove you should keep workouts at around an hour are in print. Though I
suppose with some research I could find some online. I will take a shot.


Part
of why you want to keep your gym sessions at around an hour or so.
From what I have read over the years, with less intense exercise the body
will use fat rather than protein for fuel when glycogen stores get low.
Which is why a low heart rate cardio workout is effective for cutting up
or
weight loss. Intervals cause the body to need fuel too quickly so it
falls
back on the easier to burn protein stores (muscle).

That is also mostly wrong, but c'mon. You can't expect us to discuss in
depth every paragraph, can you? ;-)

It will use fat, but our brain really prefers carbs, so in practice in
the absence of available carbohydrates some body protein will be broken

This is also why extremely low carb diets cause irritability.

Do they? I'd sure feel irritated if I couldn't eat real food! ;-)

down for fuel. You may prevent it by eating dietary protein or simply
carbs.

But DZ is right, that if we deny our body some of the luxuries of high
performance fueling it will still function properly, build muscles and
work pretty much just as well.

I have yet to see a successful bodybuilder or powerlifter get where they
are
without taking in a steady stream of protein.

They *say* they do, because that is how they earn the living. By
*saying* things. What they do is often very far from what they say they
do.

I know several successful powerlifters personally and have trained with a
few. I can assure you that they all eat in the fashion I have explained. I
have trained alongside one bodybuilder who recently got his pro card. He
also recommends the style of eating I have been aluding to here.


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