Re: Protein Intake

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NETCRAMMER <netcram...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far
just going to the gym. I began doing research and found
thatprotein
should be high in my diet for muscle growth. So I started
consuming
wheyproteinrecently. However I find it difficult to get the
number of grams suggested by most (which is around 160-200g).

If consumption of extraproteingets in the way of training, then I
would scrap extraprotein. Extraproteinenhances muscle growth, but
it's by no means an absolute requirement. Betterproteinretention is
actually one of the adaptations to both training and to smaller
amount
ofproteinin the diet. However, it's beneficial to consume it around
the time of training. I doubt that my ownintakeis much different
from the "RDA". Sometimes I cite from these two papers related to
proteinrequirements:

Resistance training
-------------------

"After an initiation phase of any resistance training program and
the
initial adaptation to the performance of exercise are over, it is
hard
to reconcile that resistance-trained athletes would have markedly
elevatedproteinrequirements."

"In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle
mass
is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietaryprotein
requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary
person."

"All things considered, it is abundantly clear that anyprotein
requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little
relevance"

(quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212752).

Endurance training
------------------

"It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise
does
not affect dietaryproteinrequirements... For the well- trained
endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min,
there
appears to be a very modest increase in dietaryproteinrequirements"
(quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212749).

Most would be better off skipping the extraprotein/sugar
supplementation
and just getting a bit leaner, eating a nutrient dense natural diet.

Getting people to eat enough vegetables is a problem.

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The kidneys can only processs a certain amount of protien, this is why
people with kidney problems have special diets. So when taking
supplements, be careful!

Healthy people have ZERO problems withprotein, so make it seem like
people
are going to hurt themselves.

I use whey protien, but only for my

midmorning snack (after gym before lunch) and before bed I use caesine
protien (it takes longer to breakdown) and fuels the muscles longer.
I also eat a certain amount of carbs right when i get up, within
thirty minutes. Icant remeber the exact reaction, but i think it
increases insulin, which produces glycogen that stores in my muscles
and gives me the added power for my morning routine workout. (I may be
completely wrong, so if anyone knows different please advise. Im just
adding my two cents that may not be worth 1 cent)

The funny thing is that so many people try to do fad diets that they
end up regaining all the weight or loosing all the muscle tone.

"Loosing?" Why is it that all of you morons can't spell the word "lose?"

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key to any diet is to find what works for your daily routine, but to
make sure you implement healthy eating and living into that equation.
If you do nothing now, and you only work out once a week; trust me,
its much better for you then doing nothing. And once you start to see
some pounds come off, most of the time this is where the inspiration
comes from to want more. Healthy life and being fit is addictive.
But we are creatures of habit, so I advise to start slow and steady.
I personally found that calorie counting worked the best and
exercising in the mornings, but thats me, and like I said, its what
ever works for you. But at least do something! Heres a tip that may
get some motivated, it worked for me, but Im weird. I started by
researching what it took for my body to maintain its normal functions
(meaning how many calories i need just to live and breath) This is
called your Resting Metabolic Rate. Take your RMR + calories burned
at gym - caloricintakefrom daily foods and it gives you your total
balance + or - ( - is where you want to be to lose weight). You
have to also remember to not to lose too much weight too quickly
becuase your loss could be derived from your body actually burning
muscle. Im not a doctor so nothing i just said really means squat,
make sure you check with your doc before doing anything.

Don't worry, NO ONE would take you for an MD. BTW, why don't you tell us
all
about those special diets that people with kidney problems have. Do you
know
that people who are on dialysis and have no kidney function are told to
eat
a lot ofprotein?

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

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I guess you know more than the national kidney foundation and my wifes
nephrologist (ne-fra-low-gist) that was so that really big word, you
could say out loud, and maybe even do some research.



Listen ***, I spent 8 years on dialysis, so I have forgotten more about
renal function than you will ever know. I also had a renal transplant and
even with that have ZERO restrictions when it comes to protein intake. Why
not just admit that you are yet another moronic anonymous dolt who does
nothing but talk *** in Usenet?


Hold on let me do it for you: I would hate for your only argument
next would be......"So what at least im spelling losing correctly and
not forgetting to take out the extra o!".....but you got me there; us
intelligent people never make typos..hell we need to call Bill and
tell him that part of his software can be completely ulliminated
becuase of your witty retorts.


That was not a typo. You did it 3 times.


but back to the conversation at hand;

What about protein?
Your body needs protein every day for growth, building muscles and
repairing tissue. After your body uses the protein in the foods you
eat, a waste product called urea is made. If you have lost kidney
function, your kidneys may not be able to get rid of this urea
normally. You may need to reduce the amount of protein you eat to
avoid buildup of urea in your body.


I suggest you stop being a parrot and learn something for yourself. Once
again, I have FAR more credibility than you do when it comes to kidney
issues.



This is from the National Kidney's Associations webiste..i can get a
letter from my wifes doctor if you need futher proof.

Like i said in my orginal post..I was posting to maybe give people
advise about diets and the way i built my body.


It is "advice," NOT advise. Just admit that you're a moron, an anonymous
cowardly moron at that.

It was not to wim a
spelling test, grammer final, or to have to be rebuked by people such
as yourself......you need to go to the argumetn blogg and leave the
rest of the forums for people who are looking to learn and grow there
minds, not end up having to spen their time in arbitrary arguments
with people that only look for ways to make others feel stupid.



Sorry Skippy, but I will always call out know nothing dolts like yourself.
Go ask your fat wife's nephrologist is he doesn't suggest a high protein
diet for people on dialysis. If one is losing kidney function, then yes, you
take in less protein, but if you are healthy or your kidneys are shot, you
take in more protein. Are you now willing to look into the mirror and see
the moron looking back??


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/


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