Re: ? for Will Brink about Dorian

"Will Brink" <willbrink@xxxxxxxxxxx> schreef:

Those 803s will make ANY signal that goes from the amp sound a lot
better
then the centre. Sometimes, when i install (re-install...) the system
for
friends, first thing is to disable the centre AND SUB, but only if they
have
front speakers with at least 2 strong woofers each. In your case, with
the
803s, you have 3 lower frequency woofers, 1 woofer/midrange and an
*excellent* tweeter. Now, the centre probably has 2 tiny woofers, right?
So
that signal goes to 4 bigger ones if you disable it. If you have a small
SUB, it doesnt perferm NOWHERE near in the lower frequencies as good as
803s.

I still dont follow you. For music, it's two channel ONLY for me.

The above is about system configuration in general.

The signal of the centre, can be send to the right and left. In your case,
since the quality of right and left is better then the centre, the sound
will improve.

Since the "centre signal" is mono, you will still experience the sound
somming from the middle, IOW, the big screen.

If you have a SUB that is of LESS quality then the 803s, you can do the
same. You "loop" the LFE channel to the right and left. This how i
configured my system, with VERY pleasing results. The only thing i add is
one (actually 2) rear surround speakers 6.1(. 2 pieces 8 ohm, parallel since
amp is 4 ohm...)

For the music, despite the fact that most CDs are 2 channel, except for
SACD, the DTS NEO-6 decoder makes it multi channel, and, instead of fucking
it up, improves it. WITH the right settings wrt room acoustics.

For movies, you must have center on to do true 5.1...

No... trust me!
Loop the signal that goes to centre to left and right. Try it.

and the processor is only
sending higher frequencies, generally voices...

Not really.
I am pretty sure that part of the sounf of shots and explosions go to the
centre. But, lets say that only dialogue comes from it, i will bet it sounds
better from the 803s. And it will still come from the middle.

for which the 800 series center is top of the line.

Of course it is.
But the left and right are better, right. Try it, and you WILL believe me!

No reason to spend big $$$ on Dolby/DTS
processors if your not going to use the channels.

Agreed.
But i am only talking about skipping the centre, and about skipping the sub
if its of less qiuallity then left and right.

Example;

A friend of mine has spend 2000 Euros on a Yamaha Dolby Digital/DTS-ES/THX
amplifier.

He has also spend the same amount on JBL speakers. Two HUGE front, a sub
(one 10 incher) a centre, and 4 surrounds. The fronts are about 4 feet high,
a feet wide. and 1 1/3 feet deep. Thats a lot of volume. With 3 8 inch
woofers (so 6 8 inchers total) a woofer/midrange and one of those 360 degree
directional tweeters.

Yet he complained about the sound quality...

The Yamah has about 7 times 200 watts (in reality only half, of course) so
thats MORE then enough to drive the 6 8 inch woofers. BUT... if you connect
a SUB, then most of the really low frequencies go to the sub, and only a
portion to left, right, and centre.

So, the huge power of the amp is actually not used. Now, if you spend 2000
on a SUB only, i would say, let it stay there. But this was just a plain and
simple 300 Euro SUB, and the centre wasnt that magnificint either.

So... I adjusted the menu that the signal of the centre and SUB went to the
HUGE front speakers, who could reproduce those signals a LOT better *in his
case* then the centre/sub.

I also setted the surrounds about 4DB higher, and put the cutt-off at 120
hertz.

And voila, the system sounded twice as good.

If you are talking about
5.1 music, I agree: unless all speakers are matched, there's no reason for
it. I don't like multi channel music anyway, so it's moot to me.

Think of it as improved stereo, not really 5.1 sound. Just try it...

Okay, even if its active, the amp you mentioned has more then enough
power,
right?

Do some research on TagMcLaren. It's about as good as it gets.

Oh, i am not saying ANYTHING about the amp!
I am talking about settings, NOT the quality of the amp...

I am tellling you, 4 speakers, assuming the amp has enough power and the
front speakers are huge, are all you need.

For what?? Movies or music?

Both. Like i said, the sound of the centre can come from left/right, and
STILL bounces of the screen.

See above comments. You're not making much
sense to me.

Perhaps i didnt clarify myself good enough...

Music = two channel/steroe only.

True.
But with with a DTS NEO-6 decoder, it can improve. Can. Not always.

Movies are in full 5.1 DTS/Dolby which is
by far superior to your proposed set up, unless you have a shitty center
not well matched to the mains, a problem I dont suffer.

But i am willing to bet that in most cases, okay, perhaps NOT yours, the
quality of the centre is LESS then left/right.
But it doesnt hurt to try it out, does it?

If you have big living room, and i assume you have, 2 extra back speakers
might work if your system, like THX supports it. For regular 5.1, 4 is
often
better then 6.

Eh?

7.1 sound, two extra surround speakers.

And with "4 is often better then 6" i meant IF the quality, size and power
of the front speakers are enough. and if the power of the amp is enough.
Otherwise it wont work...

(yeah... unless of course, both centre and SUB are HUGE...)

You need to research this more. Proper 5.1 sends signals at different
frequencies to different speakers...

Hehehe...

You assumed i didnt knew that? I sell those things. The signal that goes to
the centre is non-directional, which is why this "trick" might work.

OH... and DONT space the left and right 15 feet apart, of course!

thus they are all dealing with what
they are intended for. If set correctly, center and rears are getting
higher frequencies, unless you have it set to full range for all as well
as other issues, such as the decoding, etc. Porcessors are also set up
that way, etc, etc. If one is forced to run four speakers during true 5.1,
then they need to get a better center speaker period.

Well... THATS the other option!

Hmmmmm, ok. For music for me is always two channel and surround is
movies
only.

Dont you have a DTS-NEO 6 decoder build in? If you adjust according to
the
acoustic of the room, you wont believe what you hear. The sound becomes
3-D,
and it feels that the musicians are in the middle of the room, and its
impossible to locate the speakers. If adjusted properly...

You still aint listening.

Sure.
You like stereo from 2 channels, not 5. Right?

Not really into the multi channel music thing.

I wasnt until i had my new reciever. It really enhances the stereo effect
and seem to give this "live" sound.
If you have the decoder i would give it a try. If you dont like it you
can
switch back and forth.

I can do all kinds of crap, none of it of interest with music. For music,
proper set up is to sit in the "sweet spot" where steroe imaging is
optimized. Multi channel music is of no real interest to me, unless
perhaps some day I actually get 4 803d's and matching center which would
cost big $$$$$.

2 803s in the rear is a waste of money. Even if you set the amp at "all
large" the back spakers do NOT get much low frequencies. Trust me...

There's only one sista in the house these days anyway and she rules the
house with an iron fist!

Yeah... but probably just the way you like it!
Otherwise...;-O

No comment...

Yeah, yeah, i am only joking!

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Pete



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