Re: Any Spiritual People In MFW?

In article <do957m$itc$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Dr_Dickie" <Dr_Dicke@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> >
> > But not really as why it's expanding at the rate it's expending is not
> > understood and is thought to be caused by dark energy and dark matter.
> >
> That is the mechanics of it, I mean the concept of the universe expanding is
> easy to understand (not the particulars)

Agreed. Just saying, even the expansion part is not well understood.


> > > But, what you were likely not told was, the universe is not expanding
> into
> > > anything, it is expanding into that which does not exist.
> >
> > How so? I have not seen anything that makes such a statement. Do you
> > mean expanding into a area that has no matter or are you talking about
> > exanding into another universe or dimension?
> >
> Well, it is subtly stated in the big bang theory. What was there before the
> big bang?

Unknown.

> Matter did not exist.

I don't think that's known. It's theorized to be a point of almost
infinite density before matter and perhaps even time itself existed.

> Did time? Did reality?

Wish I knew!

>
> > > Think carefully about this. You could say reality itself is expanding.
> >
> > Reality is strictly a human concept and without effect in the universe.
> > We have always tried to fit the universe into our reality, vs the other
> > way around.
> >
> What is reality,

Now THAT is the $64,000 question!

> but that which still exists without your need to believe in
> it. But before the big bang, nothing existed.

That in itself is a reality I suppose, but my point being is that the
human concept of reality does not effect the universe per se. It's us
who is stuck with OUR concept of reality.

>
> >
> > > Or, another way of looking at it is: "That which does exist is expanding
> > > into that which does not exist."
> >
> > Still not sure how you mean that.
> >
> The universe (that which exists, or is) expands into what?

Unknown. There may be alternative universes that ours abuts that has
totally different laws, there may be other universes in other dimensions
ours interacts with, there may be simply a lack of matter which does not
mean reality does not exist there, etc, etc.

> Remember, it was
> space, matter, and energy which exploded out of the the big bang. Again,
> what was there before the big bang? The vastness of the universe (space) did
> not exist. The universe is finite, but expanding. Beyond the expansion there
> isn't.

See above. It's simply not known at this time.


> I came apon this when teaching a class on Environmental Chemisty (I like to
> start at the begining--the real begining, when chemicals greater than
> duterium were formed). We are stardust...

That we are!

> I do not have my books here; however, this is along the lines of what I came
> upon:
> http://www.bigbang.org/

Interesting, but the author ignores some additional theories about what
might exist beyond the known universe. It's a very human-centric write
up to me.

>
> > > Such that, "that which does exist expands every day." Reality is
> growing.
> > > If you can really understand that, you don't.
> > > Think about that while dancing around the Festivus pole this holiday
> season.
> >
> > Nah, but I do like to think about what a speck of dust we are on this
> > plaet to the overall vastness and the chances of there not being life on
> > other planets is close to zero.
> >
> > >
> > > Got a Kel-Tec 9mm and Colt M1911 coming in Thursday, just in time for
> > > Festivus.
> >
> > One should always be well armed for Festivus.
> >
> > --
> Of course, and most other times as well. Safety first!

Dang right! Sent my favorite 1911 back to SnW for a tune up and have to
carry my back up 1911 until it returns.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/


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