Re: Brits new "shoot to kill" policy

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:30:05 -0400, Dally <Dally@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:

>Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
>> I had no idea about the immigration thing.
>>
>> But it doesn't change anything. On Cops, there are often cases where a
>> dumbass decides to flee because of a minor warrent. Usually something on the
>> order of a few days jail time or a fine. Instead they choose to turn it
>> into several major felonies and a big portion of their lives behind bars. Or
>> a major injury. Or even, such as this case, their own death.
>>
>> And everybody is acting like the cops did the wrong thing. For those folks,
>> I have to ask a question. How willing would you be to chase down a suspect
>> that may have many pounds of plastic explosives and ball bearing attached to
>> their body? The guy was a moron who thought his own problems were more
>> important than the national security of a sovereign nation.
>>
>> He was an idiot.
>
>I don't think there's any major disagreement with any of this.
>
>> He got exactly what he deserved.
>
>Oops, now you just crossed the line into psychosis. The man spoke a
>different language, had immigration status issues, realized he was being
>followed by plain clothes officers... running from the situation makes
>perfect sense. He definitely did NOT deserve to be killed for it. It
>maybe understandable why he was killed, a regrettable accident, a
>breakdown in policy, a judgment flaw, whatever. It was not, however,
>something he deserved.
>
>> Another thing. Everybody is bitching and moaning about the death of a
>> simpleton. How do you think that the police officers felt about this? I bet
>> they are devastated. None of the whiners are saying anything positive or
>> supportive about these brave officers. Talk about a thankless job.
>
>I believe the "whiners" are mostly questioning the "shoot to kill"
>policy. It's not the guy on the job that's being chastised, it's the
>ones giving him the orders to shoot a guy to death when it's a known
>phenomenon that suspects run when confronted by police, and being
>followed by plains clothes officers who speak a different language is
>even MORE likely to cause the suspect to run.
>
>> I will say it right now. I extend my deepest sympathies and respect to the
>> selfless, brave acts that these London LEO's did. And for having to deal
>> with all its aftermath. Folks like you are what separates us from the
>> savages. Thank you sirs. Job well done.
>
>It's a sucky job. They didn't do it well this time. An innocent guy
>died. That's not a good day at work.
>
It troubles me that I'm agreeing with Dally and Donovan. Having said
that, I'm confused about this "shoot to kill" policy. If you are
going to shoot, aren't you always shooting to kill...or to stop. Same
thing basically. My main problems with the shooting are:

1.) The cops may not have identified themselves properly.

2.) If the guy was such a threat, why did they allow him to get into
the tube?

3.) The account I read said they had him pinned to the ground when he
was shot. That is just not right if it's true.


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