Re: Doing Neat Tables Blind: Wrapping, Placement and Appearance?

On Apr 5, 3:42 am, Veli-Pekka Tätilä <vtat...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Even pages are a paper concept

Likewise, the line-breaking that is a concern here.

Thats the annoying thing in style guides for
articles, they specify attributes that usually don't add semantics, but
add visual consistancy tweaks that don't make output any different with
speech.

Hmmmm... I wonder what things could be added for speech synthesis?
Maybe LOTS! OF!! EXCLAMATION!!! MARKS!!!! That should make the
computer voice excited.

I see, using paragraphs really isn't right, either, semantically
speaking.

It may not be a paragraph gramatically, but it is formatted as one
typographically.

"Overfull \hbox",
how much over full, that is, how much is the text too wide,

Can this second thing be converted to characters to make easier picture
mentally, and more media agnostic, too.

Since each character has its own width, it gets very tricky to do
that,
but it wouldn't be too bad to convert 4pt to 1 character in most
cases,
to give a rough idea.

The input line numbers of the paragraph (but not the input file

How are these defined? Is it the number of the line in the actual LATeX
output in the paragraph. I mean I thought LaTeX breaks paragraphs on
physical line breaks.

I was unclear. Let's say the input text for a paragraph occupies
ten lines in the input source file, from 502 to 511. Any overfull line
when
formatting that paragraph results in a message "at lines 502--511".
When I said "not the input file" I meant to say that the name of the
relevant input file is not reported in the message, you would have to
figure that out by reading through the whole log file, keeping track,
and
hoping that the messages and parentheses don't get scrambled. There
is no difficulty if you use a single input file for the document.

The opening and closing of input files is represented in the log file
by
"(filename" ... and ... ")".

Is it like CPAN in Perl in that if you use a package manager you don't
have to actually visit the site itself. MikTeX has one that's rather
like PPM in Perl.

Most TeX systems do not use a package manager, unfortunately.

An interesting question. Often on paper the table might become a bit
later or sometimes even earlier than a reference to it. Yet when you
read with a screen reader a plain text dump, say from PDf, it is
horribly confusing that the text is suddenly interrupted by a table. So
in that case the best way would be to have it immediately after the
reference. but apart from my own Web pages, noets and code,

I think I have seen that in some of the latex-to-html conversion
systems,
but beware that there are difficulties with these, and you certainly
don't
want to use any system that converts special characters to images for
html.

Donald Arseneau asnd@xxxxxxxxx
.

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