Re: Upgrade from 10.4 to 10.5

In article <1iqc79c.10onltg48421pN%NEWS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
NEWS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Roger Merriman) wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <1iqc2zq.zaw665x7du9fN%NEWS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
NEWS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Roger Merriman) wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <1iqbdts.epbflsvyqhuzN%NEWS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
NEWS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Roger Merriman) wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <Q_GdneQ084oQNoTUnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Raff" <N@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

big snips

i have had mac's since system 7 days on all my macs and
friends/family

Same here. Longer even.

i've yet to see any problems from a direct upgrade.

In all that time, through all those upgrades, you've never seen a
single
instance where an upgrade didn't do everything exactly as expected? I
find that hard to believe. Maybe you just have selective memory. I can
recall plenty of issues through the years, some trivial, some not, some
well publicized, some not - but issues just the same.

on limited machines mostly. or on upgrades/patches that where pulled
sharpish.

I guess we aren't to take your words at face value then? You did say
"i've yet to see any problems from a direct upgrade", right?

i'm not the one claiming there is a problem with upgrades, if it is a
real problem it should be a easy google....

Nope. You're assuming people will know what the problem is to begin
with, and that they'll know the problem was caused by the upgrade.
Chances are the majority of users will simply re-install the OS without
bothering to find out what's wrong. Any such thing found with a web
search wouldn't give any indication of the actual cause of the problem.

It's almost as if you'd have us believe Apple's never released an
upgrade with a single bug! Frankly, that's laughable.

yes but by the same token apple has a os it has full control over, and
hardware it knows about, it's job is lot easyer than windows/linux by a
long shot.

I'm not sure what bearing that has on the current discussion.

apple has a much greater chance of not making such a serious error
having control over the hardware/software,

So it never happens? Please...

some of the macs
have gone mac os9-10.4 just upgrading all the way. and are quite
happy
still.

All of my Macs are "happy", despite the occasional software glitch.
Have
I indicated otherwise somehow?

you do read the odd folks who have problems but these seem to be
fairly
rare, for most, it's a case of slide in cd/dvd wait a while reboot
and
alls done.

??

Have I indicated that any of the problems I'm talking about can't be
fixed?

no but you have sugested that upgrades are a problem at this point i'm
saying if so how so?

I and another person have already given you two examples of how upgrades
can malfunction in undesirable ways. In one case, the Perl installation
is hosed. In another case, man pages are hosed. There are other cases
besides these two, of course.

and this is common? common enought that one would be wary about hiting
that inviting upgrade button, just becuase some where some one has a
problem doesn't even remotely mean that it's likely to effect the mac
your sat infront of.

Sorry, but you're wrong. It's reproducable on several Macs I have here
with the 10.5 upgrade. I have watched the Perl libraries folder get
mangled several times through the 10.5 upgrade from 10.4 on multiple
Macs. That leads me to believe this particular problem has a good chance
of being common. A lot of users may not *realize* the problem is there,
and even the ones who do realize there's a problem have a good chance of
overlooking the relationship of the problem to the upgrade. But that
doesn't mean it's not a common problem.

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