Re: When people say Leopard is problematic...

On 2007-12-28 19:33:00 +0200, J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@xxxxxxxxxxx> said:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:13:04 -0500, Ilgaz Öcal wrote
(in article <5tkp50F1dlvcoU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):

On 2007-12-25 00:39:31 +0200, J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@xxxxxxxxxxx> said:


No,

If you don't want to test the hardware, frankly, there isn't much that can
be
done for you.

Please people, stop thinking everyone using Mac and having problems are
your regular "iLife" users.

You have no idea what apps we run here. Hint: the only iLife app I even have
on my machine is iTunes.


This machine is hardware tested using Apple Quad G5 "AHT" tool every WEEK.

Have you tried removing the 3rd-party RAM, yes/no?

Why am I removing Kingston Brand ECC registered SDRAM while it passes the every RAM test available on Mac scene? Therotically, even if it is broken, it will keep working, that is why we pay extra price for ECC and ECC supporting machines/mainboards. What does RAM have to do with the fact that syslogd using 1.2 GB of RAM and occupies 2 cores? If RAM fails, that won't be a good scene on my screen which I can take screenshots like I did before anyway.



This machine is software tested every WEEK.

Have you tried removing the fonts in question, yes/no?

The fonts on this machine are also tested via "Font Book", on live machine, this is a video workstation and only fonts installed are Leopard stock fonts and iWork '08 extra fonts. Yes, they are all tested, zero warnings, even the "duplicate" warned ones will be deleted.


This machine is also professionally hardware checked by a Apple support
specialist company every MONTH.

Have they tried swapping out the RAM, yes/no?

It is a bit hard for them to swap 8 GB of ECC RAM while every tool including memtest monster says it is working perfectly.



In our business, we can't accept any kind of surprise downtimes, that
is why we use high end Apple workstations.

So, "NO", it is NOT a hardware issue,

If you haven't tested for it, you can't rule it out. You haven't tested for
it.

it is rushed drivers and core OS
just to make it on time (thanks to trolls) and shamessly selling a BETA
operating system commercially.

If you say so. My experience is otherwise.

Lookit, our stuff works... yours doesn't. Our stuff works, in large part,
because when there's a problem I don't believe what a test program says, I
physically move stuff around. I swap RAM. I pull 3rd-party hardware and
software. I remove things until the problem goes away and then I put things
back one at a time until the problem comes back... and now I _know_ for
absolute certain where the problem lies.

You do not wish to do this. You will _never_ find out where your problem
really lies, and that means that you will _never_ fix it. Keep on keeping on,
laddie. It is, after all, _your_ problem. It is most definitely _not_ _my_
problem. My stuff works...


Some Linux distros, some Desktop Manager distros like KDE are enough
responsible and serious to postpone releases 2-3 times completely
ignoring "Look they postponed again" trolls. That is what I would
expect from a commercial OS vendor.

What does any of that have to do with your problem, which, based on what
you've said so far, is almost certainly either hardware or bad fonts?

This is what happened when 10.4.0 DVD installed on my G5 1600 Mac. Some genius at Apple Inc. actually FORGOT to add Apple stock installed Motorola 56K onboard chip driver, in broadband age, I only figure when I need to fax something for a very big project deal, I rush to IRC channels and bugreporter.apple.com same time, people say it must be MY MACHINE which is broken, 2 builds and getting banned from 3 IRC channels later, 10.4.2 ships which includes driver for my APPLE STOCK INTERNAL MODEM, I become one of the guys having a colour laser printer+scanner AND a Fax device.

I am saying that I actually PAY for a hardware professional test my machine every month, I use commercial and open source tools to test every bit of my machine, even including USB external disks bad block test, ENTIRE SUNDAY, you keep and keep and keep saying it is bad hardware.
It is, after all, _your_ problem. It is most definitely _not_ _my_
problem. My stuff works...

And my stuff doesn't. You can't stop me from saying IT DOESN'T work, if it is NOT your problem, fine, ignore the thread or killfile me.

Now I get flamed for reporting issues in very understanding way, let me tell where they possibly arise from. They have fantasized too much with syslogd adding SQL based junk while every machine on planet including multimillion Z series mainframes does text only logging to seperate files. They didn't think about "timeout" or "corrupt file in cache" while rushing Mail 3.x, THEY HAVEN'T done ENOUGH TESTS on REAL LIFE. They have directly copied FreeBSD _SERVER_ maintanance scripts to a CLIENT OS, they didn't do the most basic test of 3d performance which I can do with a freeware 1-2 MB application. They have to support only 2 BRANDS of GPUs and they have failed to support them. The companies in question respond politely saying
Thank you for contacting NVIDIA Customer Care.

I understand from your email, that you have a GeForce 6600 graphics card and you are having issues with drivers in Mac OS X and in Linux.

We, at NVIDIA manufacture only chipsets for desktop and laptop graphics cards. The cards are manufactured and sold by third parties or the OEMs. So, if the card came along with the APPLE computer, you have to check with APPLE if they have drivers to run this card.

OK, it can be a pre-written text but AT LEAST they respond . If I have to work on a 1080P project and the HD-Betacam output fails because of the lag on my Machine, I will first rent a Tyan Workstation and start building my own PC from the ground on some online shop. At least MS shows some interest in issues reported and their community doesn't blame YOUR machine when you politely speak about issues happening on your workstation.

Am I saying "Leopard is junk"? No, it is a rushed OS release but not a junk. It actually works flawlessly on G4 based machines I own.


Why
can't you simply test things by pulling the fonts in question from the system
and restarting and seeing if the problem goes away? Or by doing simple
hardware testing, starting with removing all 3rd-party devices and RAM and
adding items back one at a time? Your first post on this thread was on
Monday. Today is Friday. If you'd started on Monday, you would already _know_
for absolute certain where the problem lies and could have had a fix or at
least a start on a fix.

But, hey, do it your way. I give up, you're on your own.


Ilgaz

I am not on my own, I have seen many people having exact same issues and especially syslogd 100% CPU usage is a VALID OS X bug happening on SOME MACHINES.

I was expecting a really final or close to final/actually tested release from a commercial OS vendor, that was my big fault.

I have used Windows for almost a decade and Mac is the only platform that I got blamed for reporting issues.

Have a nice day with your working Leopard

Ilgaz

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