Re: When people say Leopard is problematic...

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:42:41 -0500, Ilgaz Öcal wrote
(in article <5tanehF1d5fhrU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):

On 2007-12-24 22:36:31 +0200, J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@xxxxxxxxxxx> said:

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:00:16 -0500, Ilgaz Öcal wrote
(in article <5tahefF1cil84U1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):

On 2007-12-24 18:28:37 +0200, J.J. O'Shea <try.not.to@xxxxxxxxxxx> said:

I simply have never seen anything like what you report, not even once. If
an
archive install or an erase install doesn't cure it, then the problem is
_hardware_, you've killed the software.

Archive install or Erase install does not cure anything, I actually
have total 3 Leopards to boot now, on seperate drives which have been
installed in every variation.

This system is meant to be a workstation with very critical, time
specific things to do so it has a professional service agreement and
also it is being checked weekly.

This is the thing which makes people mad. No, I haven't broken Mail.app
or Leopard, for some reason, it works like junk on this Workstation. We
can blame anyone including ourselves but Apple?

Ilgaz


If you've eliminated everything else, and you have, then it must be either
the hardware or the OS. We know the OS works elsewhere. That leaves just the
hardware.

I again suggest that you check the hardware, especially the RAM.

No,

If you don't want to test the hardware, frankly, there isn't much that can be
done for you. Most other people have the OS running, so we _know_ that it's
not the OS. Your refusal to even consider alternative sources for the problem
leaves you, and only you, at a dead end. Recall that the rest of us do _not_
have your problem.

I personally find your reluctance to even consider a possible hardware
problem most curious. Bad hardware is the second thing I always suspect,
right after loose or missing cables.


I had to deal with the hosting providers "mail control panel" but fixed
the issue.

It was basically Mail.app not being able to handle a certain size (not
thousands btw) mailbox with Unicode character set mails.

Errm, you _do_ know that the standard font for Mail.app is Lucida Grande,
which is a Unicode font, don't you? I use several Unicode fonts, including at
least three different Lucidas, in various places, including Mail and Safari.
I don't see the problems you do. The Inbox for my main account has over 2500
items. I have multiple subsidiary mailboxes with nearly 10,000 items, and one
which has more than 25,000 items, as I have _all_ my mail for 12 years...

You might want to look at this (rather elderly) site:
<http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/fonts_macosx.html> or at these two, equally
elderly, pages: <http://db.tidbits.com/article/6774>,
<http://db.tidbits.com/article/6780>. You might also want to look at the
rather more recent <http://typographica.org/001113.php> page and at
typographica.org in general.

Which fonts are you using, and how big are your mailboxes? Have you
considered that perhaps the problem might be the font, and tried a different
one?


I have used the hosting company feature to archive messages every 3
months and clean up mailbox and mail is back to life now.

Ah. So you no longer have the problem, correct?


I don't want to give up Mail.app since no other program uses the open,
documented spotlight to integrate its mails to spotlight search, that
was why I was such frustrated. I only use IMAP protocol so it is no
time to move to another client.

My main account is an IMAP account. I don't think that your problems can be
traced to IMAP.


I started to suspect my machine but in a different way. You know the
current most unpopular, rare Mac is? 8x Xeon, the Opto Xeon. My Quad G5
is the rarest PowerPC Mac available at its time too.

We don't have eight core Xeons, (yet) but we have just about all the other
Mac Pros and most types of Power Macs going back to G4s. This particular
argument doesn't hold water, either.


So, in fact I may be living consequences of buying/using a rare
configuration.

I suspect that you may have a problem due to either a corrupt font or some
bad hardware on your particular machine. Replace the font, and test the
hardware.


Ilgaz




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