Re: Hey Mark!
- From: The New Guy <replytogroup@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:26:18 -0600
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Mark Conrad <noneof@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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The New Guy <replytogroup@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've never quite understood something: In Boot Camp, are there 2
separate partitions?
Yes.
1 for OS X and 1 for Windows?
Yes, however be careful not to confuse the
"partitioning system" with the "file system".
On Intel Macs, BOTH the partitions were created with
the so-called "GUID Partition Table", abbreviated GPT.
Now we consider "file systems", which apply to
individual partitions -
The Windows Partition, and the File System Therein -
***************************************************
And if so is the Windows one NTFS?
Yes, that is the default. It is a modern file system,
with many advantages over older file systems like FAT.
NTFS stands for "New Technology File System".
You can force Windows to use an older FAT file system,
but it is not advisable.
The older "FAT" -
FAT stands for "File Allocation Table" but nevertheless
it is a "file system".
It is more commonly referred to as "FAT32".
(there are FAT12 and FAT16 versions)
Some of the drawbacks of FAT32 are listed here:
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s&tm=22&f=00&su=p284.8.150.ip_&tt=8&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//en.wikipedia.o
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Or are you supposed to have a 3rd partition
that both OS's can access?
Unfortunately Boot Camp does not allow a 3rd partition.
Dunno how Parallels handles it, perhaps someone else here
can comment on that.
FAT32 is sometimes used instead of the default NTFS to allow
files to be seen between Windows and OSX, but the better way
is to stick with the modern NTFS and use various utilities to
allow you to see and move files between Windows and OSX.
A Windows utility called "MacDrive7" allows you to move, read,
write, files with impunity as long as you are booted from the
Windows partition.
When you are booted from the Mac partition, it is a whole
'nuther ball game, everything turns to poo-poo.
That is the reason Michelle started this thread, she knows
that I will pay her $1,000,000 for a utility that will allow
file access to/from Windows, when booted from the Mac partition.
I for one am going to grab onto the util' she suggested, to see
if it will work with my Boot Camp lashup.
The Mac Partition, and the File System Therein -
**********************************************
...because of the HFS partition structure?
Whoops, be careful, there is a natural tendency to get all
these things confused. HFS+ is not a partition structure,
it is just a mangy file system, still used by Macs,
even by Intel Macs and Leopard.
HFS+ is much better than FAT32 to be sure, but HFS+ has
been around for about as long as FAT32, so is getting a bit
'long in the tooth'.
HFS+ stands for "Hierarchical File System" ...the "+" stands
for the latest 'extended' version of the old HFS file system,
which has been around since the time of Moses.
Apple will likely switch to a more modern file system like ZFS
hopefully when OS X version 10.6.0 hits the streets.
Then we won't have to worry about Time Machine writing an
entire 5 GB file to the external TM drive, if we change
just one stinking letter in that 5 GB file.
(nasty limitation of HFS+)
Pay close attention to what J.J. O'Shea posted, he hit it
right on the head here:
Only if you have installed MacDrive or something similar.
I suspect that this particular product does something which
allows OS X to read/write NTFS partitions, but not, it seems,
the other way around, so you'd still have to have MacDrive
or similar to allow Windows to read HFS+ when booted on the
Windows partition.
Hope we did not confuse you further.
Mark-
The new ZFS file system will sidestep that sort of nonsense.
Wow - that's very comprehensive Mark. You should be an author. Your
diligence with information is exceptional.
I wonder if Microsoft is working on ZFS for Windows? If they both
used the same system the marriage would be complete.
But for most situations, I would guess that people are just using
their Windows partition for some particular program not available for
their Mac. Then again, considering the cost of most PC components, it
might be a whole lot easier to just use 2 computers and a good KVM
switch and a USB hub. Shared data could be on the external USB drive.
Especially so if you're not using some exotic monitor setup. Another
option if you're constantly hopping between both operating systems is
to use a separate monitor for each, especially if you've got to
monitor things on each all the time. Then you only need the cheapest
of KVM's as their is no video involved. But having a KVM that
switches with a keyboard shortcut would be mighty handy.
.
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