Re: 24" iMacs run hot!

On 2007-06-06 08:46:03 -0500, The New Guy <replytogroup@xxxxxxxxxxx> said:

So I popped into a store that sells Macs and there was a 24" iMac
sitting there. Didn't look like it was doing anything but I was in a
rush and couldn't check the Activity Monitor. The back was very hot,
the air coming out of the slit near the top at the back was also very
hot.

You hard-headedly refuse to admit that the temperature of the
COMPONENTS is what really matters, not the temperature of exiting air!
Instead, you'd rather state your opinion that exiting air just
shouldn't be so warm as fact.

What do you think is heating the air? Its HOT components!
Why is this so difficult for you unbelievers to comprehend? You show
such understanding in software issues and some other hardware issues.
Wake up! Macs suck at cooling. Most cases suck at cooling. This is
not a PC vs Mac issue.

Nope. As usual, you're wrong. You fail to understand that the air exiting the case is carrying the COMBINED heat of multiple components - of course it's going to be warmer than any single component. Again, direct temperature readings confirm that the actual components are well within operating temperatures. You'd have us ignore that fact. I'll do no such thing - facts are facts. Your hypothesis doesn't hold water.

Last time we talked, you said agreed to install a temperature
monitoring utility (or have Apple store employees install one for you)
to read the ACTUAL TEMPERATURE of COMPONENTS on the motherboard. You
just up and decided that wasn't worth the trouble, huh?

As I said, yesterday I didn't have more than a couple of minutes of
time in the store. I would think that any store would lock down their
system so nothing could be installed. Unless a little utility like
Temperature Monitor could be installed without a user password? If
someone knows on any heat monitoring software that doesn't need a
password to install, please let us know. I'll go back to the store
real soon.

Idiot. The truth comes out - you didn't even *consider* trying to get real data. Of course it can be installed with no password. And they automatically wipe all the machines with a profile daily, so they are less concerned with controlling access.

And even if they were blocking it somehow (I doubt it) all one need do is tell them you are concerned about heat and would like to install X Resource Graph to see the temperature readings - I'm sure they would oblige if they thought it might be a potential sale.

Those of us who HAVE bothered to read ACTUAL COMPONENT temperatures in
the Macs we own have shown you time and time again that all
temperatures are well within spec, not even on the high end of the
spectrum in most cases.

But those are Apple specs. With Apple's extremely low standards for
cooling! Remember those temps I posted from the SPCR website? They
were far lower than your posted temps. Of course nobody commented on
those........:) All was strangely silent.

NO. WRONG. They are manufacturers specifications, you complete IDIOT. Did you actually think I went to Apple to check specifications on Intel's CPU? Are you really suggesting that Apple tells Intel the optimal temperature range of Intel's Xeon processor, or IBM for its PowerPC? Give me a break. Here again, you are guessing rather than doing the leg work the rest of us have already done. Back when I gave you detailed real data on component and ambient temperatures in my Mac, I went through the trouble to download the specifications and read them. You have done no such thing.

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JR

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