Re: More on caching and logging



In article <1hxc2d1.1xk4ugl1irnga3N%mikePOST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Mike Rosenberg <mikePOST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

geefive <geefive@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Um, if someone is using your computer and, therefore, in a position to
run this software, you have a much bigger problem...

You can't be too careful these days. No matter who you are. Do you
think that the definition of law enforcement means just governmental
agencies, or do you think it also includes corporate security
personnel? Faith-based organizations? The media? Airport security
morons? Your neighborhood association? Your landlord? A hotel/motel
you stay at? Your child's school?

Um, you completely missed my point. Of course anyone can use that
software. To do so, however, they have to be sitting right there at
your computer. If someone is in that position against your will, you
have a much bigger problem than just computer security.

I got the point. There are many reasons for someone to use my computer
without my permission. Say if I take it through airport security and
they decide to take it to another room for a quick look. Is it a
stretch to think that they might make a copy of my drive to look at it
later? Later on, maybe, when an employee or even the janitor makes a
copy for himself and then contacts my competitor to sell my new product
ideas/plans or my customer lists? Or keeps me off a flight because I
read Drudge Report and sometimes link through that site to a website
they think is liberal or is a foreign source (which would make anyone a
suspect these days)? Or if my kid takes my home computer to school and
it's his day to have his locker searched?

"Will," as in "against your will," counts for nothing these days. Our
will, collective or individual, does not exist anymore. It's assumed
that you are doing something wrong if you say you don't want to be
searched because you're a person who would like to enjoy the
traditional benefits of the Bill Of Rights, without regard to being a
person who has something to hide or not. And what if you _have_
something to hide? Like my medical records and personal ID data?

So, I guess it might be interesting to know if Apple Computer made it
possible for this intrusive device to be invented. If that's the case,
then they have been telling lies for a long time about security. I'd
rather think that Apple is as shocked as I am about this and that
they'll issue some updates to negate this new development.

You didn't comment on Apple's participation in this. It might be more
important to know if Apple approves/cooperates than to know of the
existence of the intrusion device. I can't imagine the development of
it violates an Apple patent or copyright. And what happens to Apple's
reputation for security when everyone with a "connection" or a
dreamt-up security "need" has a device? Is Apple Computer going to
deny involvement in this under some sort of "gag order?" Listen to
their response (if any), like, "We're not allowed to say if we had
anything to do with this." And why were there no rumors about this
device before it was put on the market? So many questions, so few
answers.
.



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