Re: Which iTunes and Quicktime?... I'm Confused
- From: Madwen <invalid@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:15:07 -0600
In article <1hb6r17.177i7e4pxqbk0N%dempson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
dempson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (David Empson) wrote:
Madwen <invalid@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[iBook G3/366, currently running iTunes 4.0.1, QuickTime 6.4, Mac OS X
Thanks for the incredibly detailed response. The G3 has only a 5.5 GB
hard drive in it, w/ only 2.5 GB available, so I want to limit that
drive to necessities only. Until a few days ago, it had OS 9.2.2 so
10.3.9 has taken a lot more room than 9. I have ordered a USB capable
external drive for it so my daughter will have plenty of storage but
that will not prevent the internal system files from growing with
Given the hard drive size, this iBook is presumably from the first
generation, which doesn't have a Firewire port.
An external USB drive will be horribly slow in comparison with the
internal drive, since that iBook model only has USB 1.1 (maximum
achievable transfer rate is about 1 MB per second). Much newer models
have USB 2.0, which is considerably faster, but still somewhat slower
Once again, thanks for the detailed response. Yes, it'll be slow on USB
1 but better than having no other storage at all. She'll have to get
used to it because I'm not getting any new Macs until it's smoother
sailing with the Intel models.
When installing 10.3 on the iBook, did you go to the effort of doing a
custom install and minimising the set of installed printer drivers and
languages? This makes a rather hefty difference to the size of the OS
Yes I did customize the install and I also had another thread recently
in which people gave me more ideas for trimming non-necessities.
There are third party tools to remove foreign languages after the system
has been installed (I've done this with Monolingual). I haven't tried
removing printer drivers.
So I want to limit software installations on the internal drive to the
necessities. Since broadband is not yet available here, an iPod is still
out of the picture
An iPod doesn't need to have anything to do with a broadband connection.
We don't have an iTunes music store in New Zealand, but the iPod is
still the most popular music player in the country. My iPod has been
populated with thousands of songs from my own CD collection (duplicating
what I have in iTunes).
Oh, I see... I hadn't really thought about that. We have an enormous CD
If the machine has such a small hard drive, an iPod would be impractical
if associated with that computer for automatic updates, because you
would need to keep the master copy of the music library on the hard
drive. (It could go on the external drive, but would be awfully slow,
especially as the iPod would also have to be connected via USB, and you
would need a hub for that, sharing the single USB port.)
so iTunes is just not important on that machine. She does like to play
games, however, so I don't want her Quicktime to be lagging the games
which it might do if her Quicktime exceeds the recommended minimum
requirements. She cannot play most of the recent games anyway because
most just won't operate in a 366 MHz environment. So I just want to leave
it at a Quicktime version that is truly functional under those criteria.
I'd still recommend upgrading to QuickTime 6.5.2, as it will have bug
fixes and improvements over 6.4, and performance should be similar if
not better. Disk space should be similar (the QuickTime 6.5.2 installer
is smaller than the 6.4 installer, so it might end up taking less disk
space). QuickTime 7 would be a bad choice for this machine.
Ok I will take her from QT 6.4 to 6.5.2 then.... thanks!
My concerns lean far more toward the other two computers actually, since
I do not intend to update the OS again until the next big upgrade comes
out. So what I want to know is which versions of iTunes and Quicktime
worked well in 10.3.9. Our needs are basic since we're not doing iPods
and movies on our little network. Thanks again!
I upgraded to 10.4 quite recently, so I was running relatively new
versions of QuickTime and iTunes on 10.3.9 for quite a while, and didn't
have any significant problems.
Looking at my installation history, it appears I was running QuickTime
7.0.3 before I upgraded to Tiger, but I can't tell exactly which version
of iTunes I was running. Given the release dates, it was probably
If I was still running 10.3.9, I would have installed the latest
versions of iTunes and QuickTime as they became available.
There have been some reports of issues with iTunes 6.0.2 and 6.0.3
running on 10.3.9: the repair permissions feature of Disk Utility may be
broken due to something unusual about the "Universal" aspect of these
versions of iTunes (they support both Intel and PowerPC Mac models).
For this reason alone, it might be worth sticking to an older version of
iTunes for now, until Apple resolves the problem in a future update to
iTunes or 10.3.9's Disk Utility.
You've been most helpful :)
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