Re: What is wrong with Mail?



In article <C79462CE.488C20%bobhaar@xxxxxx>,
Robert Haar <bobhaar@xxxxxx> wrote:

On 2/7/10 8:13 AM, "William Clark" <clark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

In article <marc.heusser-83F0A4.12203007022010@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
Marc Heusser <marc.heusser@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

In article
<clark-6B77BD.18472506022010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
William Clark <clark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

What the hell is up with this piece of crap called Mail? I wish to God I
had stayed with Eudora, but how do I get this damn Mail thing to work as
it should?

Any help appreciated.

Once you stop calling names I am sure you will get help with solving
your problem.

Don't be so patronizing - this is nonsense that Mail won't do what
Eudora has done seamlessly for years.

I don't see Marc's comments as being patronizing. If anything,he went easy
on you.

If you want help from people who are knowledgeable about a specific tool,
calling it a piece of crap is not a good way to open the discussion.

Yes, well if you are stuck in DC in this storm, and can't even send
e-mail from the connection you are paying $11 per day for, then you
would probably get a little terse, too. I apologize, but that's the
reason, and I don't need someone coming on like Aunt Mary - keep that
for PC nutters :-)


Mail works reliably, at least for me, and has done so for years and
thousands of messages.

Well, bully for you - for me it's currently a crock on the road, which
is why I was asking for advice, not lectures.

Which is why we need more information to begin to help. Just saying that it
doesn't work is not enough to go on.

There are many users of Mail with many different mail servers that have
managed to get it to work smoothly. We should focus on what is different for
you. I am not familiar with AT&T 's set up, but have had similar issues with
Comcast when they switch configurations.


Eudora was ok good at the time, but when it left out encryption and
signing etc, it was time to abandon.

Which is why I moved to Mail. Seems like a big mistake now.

You haven't convinced me that the problem is with Mail and not with the
configuration.

A valid criticism of Mail may be that it is not providing error messages
that help you understand the problem. But the errors returned by mail
servers are rather cryptic themselves so Mail may not have much to go on.

How about you post the settings that you have for you mail account? There
have been a couple of suggestions about port numbers and authentication.
Let's work together to see if we can help you.

Here is what puzzles me. If I use the webmail program on my browser, I
can both receive and send - it's just miserable to use.

So I am connected to two mail servers:

mail.ecr6.ohio-state.edu and
pop-server.columbus.rr.com

for incoming mail and

smtp.ecr6.ohio-state.edu and
smtp-serever.columbus.rr.com

for sending.

They are both connected to port 110 in, and to server port 587. I
changed to 587 from the original 25 on advice, but it makes no
difference.

Anything else needed? (And I do appreciate the help :-))
.



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