Re: Why no Newsreader.app? AND MORE!

In article <300120091111468719%nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
nospam <nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <uce-1D72BB.12231630012009@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Gregory Weston <uce@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I see an assertion. I see a follow-up that implies causality without
actually possessing it. I see no evidence actually supporting the
assertion. Let's try again: In the context of a system that allows
multiple icons to reference a single file system object, why is it
*rational* to demand the ability to have a specific icons representing
a
given object in an arbitrary location? Icons aren't files. Even file
names aren't files. They're proxies. All of them, whether they've got
a little arrow superimposed over the lower right corner or not. So why
is it rational to insist that one has to be able to move the proxy that
doesn't have the arrow?

What has the proxy with the little arrow got to do with anything.

Since the discussion was about using aliases to achieve the goal of
putting your apps "where you want them" it pretty much has everything to
do with it. A user has no control over where a file actually is. That's
true of every desktop computer and almost every non-desktop computer
that has ever existed in the era of magnetic storage. What a user *does*
have control over is how many references to that file exist and where
they're placed. In day-to-day use, there's absolutely nothing magical
about the one that doesn't have the arrow, and what I believe Jamie was
trying to call out was the fact that there's no rational reason - for
day to day use - to afford any special status to that one.

oh jeez, not more pedantics.

Sorry. When talking about technical issues I have this bizarre idea that
accuracy is important. Otherwise we may not even be talking about the
same thing, as was the case with Mr. Streater.

I contend that without the arrow, the typical user would have no idea
that there was a difference between an alias and the "real" icon. Ditto
symlinks. With hard links there isn't even a difference for the user to
understand. This isn't about organization. It's about an
apparently-irrational aversion to a tiny overlay on the icon. And yet
ultimately that's not the reason *I'm* here. Jamie asked if there *was*
some inobvious rational basis for that aversion. You asserted that a
condition that is in no way related to the question of rationality fit
the bill. It doesn't. Because, as I just said, it's not related.
Positively or negatively.

while technically, the sectors used may not change, as far as the user
is concerned, dragging a file or using the command line equivalent
moves the file. it is completely under their control.

don't use them, for the most part, because I already have a proxy for
the file. Why would I want a second one, that just gives me two sets of
things to organise instead of one.

Why do you have to "organize" the ones you don't care about?

you don't. it's the files you *do* care about, i.e., applications,
documents, etc., that may benefit from organization.

But the prior poster was complaining about how he *would* have to
organize them.

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