Re: What, exactly, is Apple's iPod business model?

On Aug 17, 12:47 pm, Dave Balderstone
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In article <1187321822.559988.277...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,





spinoza1111<spinoza1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 17, 7:44 am, Dave Balderstone
<dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <1187307257.505513.322...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,

spinoza1111<spinoza1...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Troll" language is an isomorph of racist
language in that it labels people in such an unthinking way that
anything the "troll" says is interpreted as more of the behavior, in
the closed mental system of the person who has joined the anti "troll"
Lynch mob.

I'm curious... Where did the Troll race originate? What are the
hallmarks of Troll culture? What countries have a significant Troll
population.

You seem to be confused about what the word "racist" means.

Behaviour is not a race. One cannot be racist, by definition, when
decrying behaviour.

A reasonably intelligent remark. No, behavior is not a race. However,
all you saw of my "behavior" (a word which you have no right to use,
being in no authority over me and unable to observe "behavior",
observing instead a text)

I said "behaviour", not "behavior". Your reading ability is
questionable at best.

?? (what a moron)

was the serious raising of a serious concern
which also appears in the group-written source wikipedia, my own
experience as a consumer, and, in the case of the parallel situation
with the XBox, in articles in The International Herald Tribune.

Well, Wikepedia's authority is currently under some question, per the

It is always under question as is that of a commercial encyclopedia.
But my information was confirmed by experience with four iPods.

links I posted earlier. The IHT is covering the story quite well, in
fact. I thought you read it?



You immediately characterised it as trolling because it upset you,

"Upset" is a word you have no right to use, being in no authority over
me and unable to observe "behaviour".

This was evident in what you wrote.

and
you are a member of a group which proceeded, collectively, to paint a
picture of a marginal character, perhaps a minority, female, or
homeless person who by definition had nothing worth-while to say.

How are you able to characterize which groups I belong to? You are
unable to observe me in any manner except observing text.

I don't want to blame the game of "I can see your behaviour [sic] but
you cannot see mine."


This is an ism, racist or classist.

Wouldn't that be an ist instead of an ism? But "Troll" is not a race,
and you're only expanding into "class" because you know you've been
caught in a logical fallacy.

oooo a logical fallacy. And what would that be?




For someone who claims intellectual credentials, you sure look like an
idiot from where I stand.

The language in a Godwin convergence about which Mike Godwin is
ignorant converges on Fascism, because we usually, in discussions of
this nature, start characterising people who here use complex sentence
structure or who are credentialed even trivially as "truly", under the
rose as it were, "idiots", whose beliefs indicate that they are
deprived of some sort of real-world insight, who are trying to apply,
inappropriately, theories of Utopia to a real world, in which the
correspondent finds himself enmeshed.

How the hell did Godwin come into this thread? And is that actually a
valid sentence?

I know things was how. And I was on an online panel with the Mikester
in 2000.

Why don't you diagram it and find out if it is. Its precis: usenet
language converges towards Fascism.


"who here use"? I mean, what the *** kind of construct is THAT?

Perfectly acceptable: "people", modified by an adjectivial phrase
commencing "who here use".

What part of a complex sentence don't you understand? Oh, I get it...

Your one of those pretentious people, so common in middle management,
who cover up their aliteracy (willed failure to read) with a pseudo-
sophisticated critique of language that criticises, not the text in
question, but their inchoate memory of the text. Edsger Dijkstra, the
greatest writer on computing that ever lived, was hounded into an
early grave by these sorts of people, who insist on a "simplicity" as
if they were highly literate, and therefore jaded by their knowledge,
when in fact they are stunningly ignorant, and get their information
from TeeVee.


You're a twit AND a troll.





This is because American software developers, who probably make the
majority of respondents here, are well aware that their skills,
especially in the area of software reliability, are and always have
been deficient with respect to foreign developers, this deficiency
starting with the choice of Fortran over Algol.

In embedded systems in particular, one hears repeatedly strikingly
anti-intellectual rants against modern approaches such as OO based on
the feeling only, that embedded systems software people have in the
USA, that they are Special, because their platforms are novel and
underpowered in some instances...despite the fact that OO is a natural
choice for devices.

I was not involved in the development of either the XBox or the iPod
yet given the fail rate, I believe that the anti-intellectualism of
its developers (including theft of other people's code) was fostered
by management who overinvested in the parts they could make
proprietary, and the result was low MTBF.

Ah. You "believe" this to be the case. That explains the religiosity of
your posting style. You are, in fact, a "mission poster", one of the
classic types of trolls.

That's called free speech, jerk. Yes, I have an agenda, and yes, I
believe it to be the case. I've already told you that I WAS THERE when
good people, especially women, were eliminated from companies like
Bell Northern Research and Apple for insisting on good software
development methodology.

If I'm wrong, prove it.

I cannot prove your belief is wrong. You will cling to that belief in
the face of any and all evidence. You have a mental disease that will
not allow you to consider any evidence that contradicts your belief.
You are a "mission poster" troll. You have my pity, but only for a
short, very short time. After that, you get ignored.

Foul insult is among other things (such as input to my attorney's
files) not an argument.


Give another reason for iPod failure in normal
use, INCLUDING failures that are illusions because of the
oversimplified (almost moronized) user interface and the lack of
manuals.

Another reason? How about "*** happens"?

God, you are sooooo cool, Mister Bumper Sticker Philosopher.


You see, I can simply reject your arguments because you're a
long-winded blowhard who does nothing except post entirely off-topic
threads with the intend to provoke a reaction, then repeats the
original point over and over and over and over without respite. The
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Typical California B.S., from a state and a Valley in which stolen
intellectual property and market failures made a small number of
people filthy rich while bearded gnomes with creative mortgages defend
the boss class in irritating baritones from filthy cubicles.


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