Re: What newsgroup app for the Mac?
- From: Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 23:33:36 +0200
Mr. Uh Clem wrote:
Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:Mr. Uh Clem wrote:Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:...And of course also the mail & news part of the combined browsers like
SeaMonkey 1.1.1 (freeware)
:) http://www.seamonkey-project.org
One downside is that the download is 22meg (thanks in part to
it being a Universal binary.)
Yes, but with a fast connection it won't take long time. I took it down in apprx. a minute on a 6mbits line...
Sure, I have fast access too. Just trying to provide info for others.
OK, I keep forgetting that here in Denmark apprx. 80% of the peopla have access to speeds +1mbit....
Mozilla 1.7.13 (freeware)
No, the Mozilla Suite is DEAD. It is obsolete, unmaintained,
insecure. 1.7.13 was released in the spring of 2006. It has not had
any of the security fixes that other Mozilla based products (FF, TB, SM)
have had in the meantime. Anyone still using the Mozilla Suite should
update to SeaMonkey (or other maintained software.) SeaMonkey 1.x is what
would have been Mozilla Suite 1.8. It is a drop in replacement.
last first... SeaMonkey is not Mozilla 1.8. SeaMonkey is much closer to Netscape 8 (no Mac ver. of that one) and the Mozilla 2.0.
In the interest of historical accuracy: SeaMonkey is the *direct*
continuation of the Mozilla Suite code base. The SeaMonkey team
started with what had advanced to Mozilla Suite 1.8 beta. That
became the basis for SeaMonkey 1.0. The SeaMonkey team has continued
to make improvements in the suite while incorporating all the
fixes also going into FF & TB.
Strange, - are you quite sure of that? - Reading the Mozilla pages don't say too much about this. But many, many people her says that SeaMonkey is so close to Netscape 8 for Windows in so many ways that just adding Netscape icon and Netscape name could make people think that it is Netscape...
What's Mozilla 2? (FF?) Without researching, I believe NS 7 was
Netscape rebaking Mozilla 1.7 and NS 8 was derived from FF 1.
NS 8 is not a suite, and Windows only, right?
Mozilla 2.0b is - or more correct - should be - the next generation of Mozilla combined brwoser, mail and news app, but suddenly the team decided to split the program into two parts - a stand-alone browser = Firefox - and a mail and news client = Thunderbird. And from what I've read around those different Mozilla projectssssssssssssssssssssssssssss, the various teams were split and rebuilt into other teams. - A team concentrating on Firefox, a team on Thunderbird, and for a while nothing happened to Mozilla (combined) except the last update from 1.7.12 to 1.7.13. - Until suddenly the SeaMonkey 0.8 came out. At that time I had been using the German Mozilla build WaMCom X 1.3.1 (similar to Mozilla 1.5/1.6 for Windows)
Netscape 7.x (last mac ver.) and Netscape 8.x are both browser, mail and news just like Mozilla 1.7.x and SeaMonkey. The Netscape 7.x for Mac is fully build on Netscape 6.x for Mac, but the Netscape 8.x for Windows have some parts of the Mozilla 2.0 implemented. I have the Mozilla 2.0b for mac and also Netscape 8.0 for Windows. The Mozilla 2.0b is only in first beta stadium and somewhat unstable, but the Netscape 8.0 for Windows is fairly good, but a heavy 'monster' to run on Win98, which for the moment is my only Windows OS. Only 64mb of pfysical memory is pulling rather hard on the virtual memory on Windows.:-)
AFAIK the original plan was to keep the name 'Mozilla', but then they chose to split the projects and release individual apps - Firefox and Thunderbird, - and to keep up with the new naming strategy, they released it under 'SeaMonkey' -
Mozilla foundation decided that the direction was individual
applications, FF & TB. Because the suite was no longer an
official Mozilla product, it had to be renamed. The name the
new team chose was SeaMonkey, which had been an internal name
for the codebase.
If that's the full wstory, then it's strange that they are still under the same hat so to speak... As I wrote above, the various Mozilla teams have been totally reorganized and split into more different groups...
I have both the Mozilla 2.0b and nearly
all SeaMonkey versions, and they are quite similar, but the GUI looks more like Netscape 8 for Windows.
[snip]
So no need to worry to use Mozilla 1.7.13 on a Mac... And don't trust in what Secunia comes out with. 99 times out of 100 they are running with a half wind - as we say here in Denmark - or directly lying abotu these security bug issues.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html
You will note that many of the vulnerabilities involve scripting
and thus are inherently cross platform. Yes, Mac is safER. :)
Hm, I've never in the last 9 years observed any socalled security issues on any Mozilla version on Macs AND Windows too for that matter...
Regarding the WaMCom, I'll have to say that though it's rather old, it runs like a dream on both OS X 10.2.x, 10.3.x and 10.4.x Intels/PPCs doesn't matter.
Has it had security updates?
No, there is a single patch, but it has nothing to do with security.
Then I would think it suffer many of the same vulnerabilities as at
the link above, if it is indeed derived from the Mozilla code base.
Nope, - as I wrote WaMCom is a total German rewrite of the original Mozilla codes. Until SeaMonkey WaMCom was the fastest ever combined app on both OS 9.x and X 10.2.8-10.4.9. And I have never had any problems of any kind except once, where I've forgotten to update my VeriSign certificates, to which I got a very kindly note from VeriSign.
The Mozilla mailnews implementation is somewhat weak at filtering and
not suitable for binary groups, but quite clean and easy to use
otherwise.
Hm, I never use binary groups, so this doesn't matter to me - and neither to most of the people that I know...
Nor I...
Infact I find the filtering system quite good and trustworthy - at least in both WaMCom, Mozilla and SeaMonkey, but it can be rather hard to set it up correctly, but a little practise solve that....
It does not seem as powerful as I've seen posted for other products.
The main frustration is limited header field filtering.
Hm, aren't you aware of that you can expand the filtering settings yourself and add more categories? - I did so in WaMCom and Mozilla 1.7.x and it works really fine. If I remember right, I added up to about 20 diffent entries at a time, where I got more than 1000 spams and vira a day from the same group of senders, but it didn't help much, because they got hold in my main account name, so I had to change account.:-( - That was before my provider got a good virus and spamfilter, but since they did get these, I maybe get a spam or PC virus once every 3-4 month...
Cheers, Erik Richard
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