Re: Best MacOsX email client?

On 2006-07-25 21:59:45 -0700, Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxx> said:

Proconsul wrote:
On 2006-07-23 13:25:30 -0700, Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@xxxxxxxxxxxx> said:

Value is a subjective concept where one can judge for one's self -
using one's own criteria - as to whether or not the "price paid" was
justified or "worth it"....

Fine. But now I'm having trouble with your repeated claim that
"freeware is worth what you pay for it" If you are backing off from
that claim, fine. But if you are not, then I guess I need to figure out
what you mean by "worth".

Keep working on it - it's rather obvious......:)

Words mean things.....

I "claimed" nothing - I stated my opinion in re the "worth" of something you get for "nothing".......

Hint: "Nothing" equals "Nothing".......

My opinion - not a "theory" - is that once you accept something for
nothing, you cannot complain or be unhappy with what you got.

Ah. That certainly makes some sense.

It was "worth", in that sense, exactly what you paid for it.

I'm sorry, that just is a complete non sequitor.

Indeed, it is not. It is a simple fact......

Further, the notion that "freeware" is somehow a noble concept of
generosity to the world is a tad extreme.

When I brought up the example of generosity, I wasn't suggesting that
that is the primary motivation behind freeware (which will differ in a
case by case basis anyway). I was just providing an example where
something free can be worth a great deal.

In that context, you are correct - the original context was and is quite different......

if you "value" your work at "nothing", i.e.,
give it away for "free", then don't be surprised if the beneficiary of
your gift assigns the same "value" to that work.......

There you go again. I can value my money as being worth more than
nothing, yet give it away for free. You are once again taking price as
a measure of value. I am having difficulty reconciling that with what
you said at the beginning of your post.

You can, as you say, assign your own value to your money, your work or even yourself. Unfortunately, you aren't the arbiter of value for anyone other than yourself....

I never mentioned "price" originally - I only responded to those who did by saying that the two aren't related in my context....

Value is a subjective concept where one can judge for one's self -
using one's own criteria - as to whether or not the "price paid" was
justified or "worth it"....

So which is it? Are free things automatically worthless or not?

That which is given away for free is "worth", i.e., has the "value" assigned to it by he or she who gave it away - nothing. Others may find "value" or "utility" in that which was given away for free, but that has nothing to do with the concept - clearly stated in the original post - that "freeware" is worth exactly what you paid for it......

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