Re: First thoughts on Lion
- From: Snit <usenet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:30:33 -0700
Daniel Johnson stated in post ibkub6hmlv50sf0bqocf5not484dm6bqj3@xxxxxxx on
10/20/10 1:57 PM:
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:07:22 -0700, Snit
Just some thoughts on OS X 10.7 Lion:
My first thought is that it's another rather minor upgrade. "Back to
the Mac" didn't mean "focus on the Mac again".
Of course, maybe there will be more coming later. But a summer 2011
release doesn't leave them too much time for it.
I suspect - and hope - they have more to it or, yes, this is a pretty minor
Makes sense the way they are doing it - *not* on a
Yeah. But this does represent a problem: a seemingly obvious next move
for them is to make iOS apps run on OS X. Can they do that without a
While I think app developers might like it, the I/O is so different I do not
think it would work well.
2) App Store:
Excellent! Like a desktop Linux repository: one click
downloads and auto-install and updates. Since it is
Apple it is more visually appealing, offers reviews and
the like, etc. Pretty much what I had asked for!
It rather telegraphics Apple's intentions, though. The iOS
walled-garden model is coming. If and when this happens, the Mac will
be ruined for anyone with self-respect.
Huh? Where did you get the idea they are pushing for a walled garden on the
ALSO: Will be available on the current Mac OS X. Look
forward to it! Will the App Store find current apps and
handle updating those as well?
This, I think, indicates Apple's priorities. It's like when MS ships
dev-tools and frameworks for old versions of Windows. It's what they
think really needs to succeed.
It is clearly a priority to get more developers to the Mac. And it is a
I have noted that a better way to find/launch apps would
be great. Apple has it on iOS... and is brining it to
OS X. Excellent.
I guess the attraction here is that you don't have to dig into your
Application folder to see all your apps, right? So it's like the Start
Not really like the Start menu at all... close to the Start menu is adding
aliases to a folder for the dock, I guess. This is almost exactly like iOS.
That may be a good thing - after all, if Windows has it, it must be a
good thing, right?
Windows has nothing like the app selection on iOS.
But, from what little I've seen, it rather looks like this is an
additional example of Apple blowing off good UI for appearances. It
doesn't use the standard widgets, and it is yet another pointless full
screen mode. Those are bad, and I wish Apple would remember it.
Why do you think this is not good UI? What else are you going to be doing
as you open an app?
But no. It's all about the pretty.
4) Full Screen:
The green button now is full screen! I hope they still
have option-green to do smart zoom.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing.
But you know, you just know, that us wintrolls won't be able to resist
making fun of Apple's new "magical" maximize button. :D
Well, it is not just maximize, it is full screen. I have maximize added
with third party. And dock thumb previews and snap-like features. I think
those are pretty good in Win 7.
5) Mission Control:
Combining Exposé, Full screen apps, Dashboard and
Spaces. Makes a lot of sense, though seems a bit
dependent on touch gestures. I assume it also has
non-touch controls - even in the demo the gestures were
not that easy to use (he kept jumping to other screens,
etc). Overall, though, it shows everything in an easy
way. Good idea. I also hope you can make something
other than "app clusters"... *task clusters*. This is,
really, what Spaces is... but I think "task clusters" is
a better metaphore.
It sounds rather like a gussied up Expose. I guess it's nice they did
something that wasn't a straight-up iPhone hand-me-down.
I want to see more about this before I really judge it... seems good... but
not sure it is great.
I suspect we will see more visual changes between now and the summer, when
it is *planned* (but not promised) to be released. I hope so... but not a
huge deal if we do not see that.
I do not understand the distinction you are drawing. How is it
"planned" but not "promised"? What is the difference supposed to be?
It is a plan... but they have not promised it will be out by then. They are
working on it. I expect they will keep to their plan, but they might not.
Oh, and why is FaceTime not a part of iChat? That just seems weird.
Different features than iChat video chats... which would lead to confusion?
Open to other ideas.
That is strange, but it is strange that FaceTime even exists, since
iChat AV already does video chats. The best guess I have heard yet is
that FaceTime is separate so that it will be easier to port it to
Windows. That makes some sense.
Yes, and a good guess as to why. Thanks.
And how about thumbnails for the dock... like you can get with DockView or
HyperDock (and, I think, some other OS... hmmmm...). I suspect it is that
last part, being on some other OS, that makes this a no-go for coming from
That didn't stop them from picking up 'maximize' buttons, I hear. :D
They have no maximize... well, not consistently.
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