Re: How I love Time Machine :)

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John Slade <hhitman86@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

ZnU wrote:
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John Slade <hhitman86@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

ZnU wrote:
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ZnU wrote:
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ZnU wrote:
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John Slade <hhitman86@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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For most users, it might as well have not existed.
For most users, Time Machine isn't even used as a backup
system. To get a credible backup you need another HD. That means
on the consumer Macs, a USB or FW HD.
Yes. This is how Time Machine works.

Full backups will take a long time.
No, they don't.
Well if you have a lot of data, say 300GB of data on a 500GB HD.
That's gonna take a long time.
Yeah. Once. Let the first backup run overnight or something.

With Time Machine, the initial backup might take several
hours. The incremental backups typically take no more than a few
minutes, unless you've accumulated tens of gigabytes of new files
since the last such backup, which is a rare case.
[tons of blather snippage]

Not if you use a lot of video capture like I and many others do.
OK, so if you've been capturing a lot of video you might have a backup
that takes 20 or 30 minutes instead of two minutes. Who the hell cares?
It's still happening unobtrusively in the background.
I can' tell you have no idea what you're talking about.
Take it from someone who repairs computers all the time. People
crap their HDs full of video and games. Almost to capacity.
That's why they sell so many HDs these days in retail. It will
take you houirs to do a full backup of a full 300GB HD.

YES. THE FIRST TIME. Subsequent updates will typically take just a few
minutes. As I said several posts ago.

Now here you go copying off Alan because you thought he
made a good point.

You mean the point that I made several days ago in this thread and
several months ago in the last thread on this topic?

We already went over this. We're talking about large amounts of data
and I already said that many people record video to their computers.

I addressed that above, and you immediately went back to talking about
"a full backup of a full 300GB HD".

Notice how you're trying to change the bar to say, "Yea you won the
argument but it doesn't matter because some people don't need speed."
That's a cop-out. You argued and argued the other and lost, why not
just admit I was right?


Are you really so clueless that you're arguing about backup
practices without being familiar with the concept of incremental
backups?


Dummy. Did you even read the thread? We already went over the fact
that Apple didn't include incremental backup applications in their OS
until 2007. You should read the thread we already went over this.

So when you pretend not to understand the implications of incremental
backups, that's just disingenuous trolling, then. Good to know.

Now if you're talking about USB or Firewire, that's anywhere from
5-8 hours. It depends on the compression and other factors. When
you use a SATA or eSATA drive it takes 2 or 3 hours, sometimes it
can take less. I'm talking from ACTUAL experience. You're talking
about theory.

First, you're simply wrong. You're claiming that eSATA is between
1.6x and 4x as fast as FireWire 800 (depending on which numbers one
uses from your hilariously large ranges) when accessing a single
drive. Unless you are familiar with individual drives with
performance in the 140 MB/s plus range, this is totally impossible,
because the speed of the drive becomes a limiting factor first. The
only drives I am familiar with which are that fast are expensive
low-capacity SSDs, which virtually nobody uses externally and you
would have to be insane to use for bulk data backup.

LOL. You're totally fucking clueless here. The SSD will transfer data
at maybe the full speed of the interface. But that would be changing
the subject. I've done backups using all of the above and I know what
I'm talking about. People who go around and repair computers usually
back them up before changing them to insure the user's data is
preserved if something goes wrong.

See, now you're back to pretending we haven't been talking about
incremental backups.

Second, even if you were right,

I sense a spin coming on. "Even if you're right." is
usually followed by. Well it doesn't matter. That's bull***.

it would be almost completely irrelevant

[irrelevant drivel about time machine snipped]

LOL. And here we have another qualifier. "Almost completely
irrelevant" I think you could have left the word " completely"
out. That's what you call an oxymoron.

"Almost completely" is not an oxymoron, Slade. We can add comprehension
of the English language to the list of things you don't understand, I
see. As if that wasn't already obvious.

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anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
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