Re: Psystar Macs Better Than Apple Macs?

On Sep 23, 1:53 pm, Fa-groon <fa-gr...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:29:57 -0700, John Slade wrote
(in article <h9dpf7$4v...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):





Fa-groon wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:10:32 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
(in article <alangbaker-FC5E7B.15103221092...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):

In article <h98jsq$hv...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
John Slade <hhitma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:
In article <h8jhtb$o5...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
John Slade <hhitma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Fa-groon wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:52:29 -0700, John Slade wrote
(in article <h8e69d$tg...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>):

Lloyd Parsons wrote:
In article <h88tkl$ht...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
John Slade <hhitma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Lloyd Parsons wrote:
In article <h88s9j$8g...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
John Slade <hhitma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Some of these people seem to think so. They have the right
idea, a Mac that you can internally expand with hard drives and
expansion cards to add functionality like USB 3.0 when it comes
out.

http://store.psystar.com/review/product/list/id/106/category/39/

John
LOL!  Reviews at the mfg site?  Regardless of who's site it is,
those
are usually useless.  What the hell would you think reviews of
Pystar
on
Pystar's site would say?
They seem happy they got a Mac that they can expand for
about half the price. Maybe Apple an learn from this.

John
Oh yeah, Apple a multi-billion dollar company will learn a lot from
a
small, bankrupt company about how to make and market computers.

Uh, huh!

Of course, given that Pystar's business models is a bit shakey at
best,
those reviews may not even be from customers...
Yea they can. Dell and HP sells tons more computers than
Apple and they make the same kinds of computers Apple and
Psystar make, Intel PCs. But for some reason Apple does not want
you to be able to go out, buy a eSATA card, or USB 3.0 card or
sound card, and pop it into your Mac and be able to use that
functionality. The only solutions is more desk clutter as you
add capture devices and external HDs and external sound devices.
This closed box design of Apple, negates any space savings from
having a cutesy little box. That's probably part of the reason
they only have like 3% of the world market and Non-Mac PCs make
up so much more. Propriety is going out of style and Apple has
always been the ultimate in proprietary systems.

John
Pro Macs are not closed box designs
Mac Pros are high end workstations not marketed to the
average home user.

but iMacs and Mac Minis are. The Tower
models have PCI slots just like any Winbox.
I know they do that's why I'm talking about iMacs and Minis
and not Mac Pros. Maybe if you had read more of the thread you
would not be making this comment.

It's just that there's little to
what's available go in them. Sure, you can buy a better video card
than
the
one that comes with the computer, but Apple sound is built onto the
motherboard and is better than what you can get from all but high-end
sound
cards.
The vast majority of motherboards sold to OEMs and
consumers have very good sound chips built right on the
motherboards. Please tell me what sound chipset Apple uses in
it's iMacs and Minis to prove your point.
I can't speak to iMacs, but my MacBook Pro has:

<http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/hdaudio.htm>

...and so does my Mac Mini.
That Intel Audio chipset is integrated on motherboards.
Integrated chipsets from Intel are usually OK but not high end
audio. I can find much better chipsets on cards and what is
integrated into many motherboards. So once again, you guys claim
that something on the Mac is superior when it is just average.
I'm not saying it isn't a good chipset, audio chipsets of high
quality are all over the place. It's not really that advanced of
a technology.

John
Sorry, John, but your say so is not good enough.

Also what our resident backyard screwdriver computer repairman says, above,
is wrong anyway.

     And when they can't win an argument, here come the personal
attacks.

Almost any sound chipset is more than good enough for
16-bit/44.1KHz digital audio. The requirements are quite pedestrian for A/D
and D/A conversion as well as any on-board analog amplification needed.. The
only real difference between different sound cards and different sound
chipsets is what level of bit-depth they support (most have been 24-bit
since
the early 2000's), what sample-rates they support (most computer sound
chips
support 32, 44.1, 48, 77.6. 88 and 96 KHz and a few of the newer ones
support
up to 192 KHz.), and how good they are at rejecting the various clock
noises
generated inside an average computer. The idea that there is a high-end and
a
low-end of chipsets for computer audio, at least as far as sound quality is
concerned, is illusory at best.

     No it's not. Typically a high end card with a high end
chipset will have more connections for digital output and
optical output. But that alone does not make it high end. What
makes it high end is the number of sounds it can make at once.
Some are better than others. Apple's sound is ad best mid-range.

Give it up. You can't argue this subject. You haven't the background or the
knowledge.

Well... he obviously didn't understand what you wrote. His claim is
tantamount to stating that an eight channel 24 bit 48 kHz unit (a la
Motu or comparable) is superior to a two channel 24 bit 192 kHz unit
(a la Apogee or comparable) because of "the number of sounds it can
make at once". I guess, to him, Big Ben is something that only exists
in the famed English clock tower;)


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