Re: Web citizens trying to kill Internet Explorer 6

In article <mr-A77EC5.07352510082009@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Sandman <mr@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <0001HW.C6A4B773001BDA47F01846D8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Fa-groon <fa-groon@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Yes it has. We should be much further along in the development
of personal computers than we are. Apple can't move us very far
because the Mac depends upon third-party developers whose
primary market is Windows. These developers don't develop for
the Mac, they PORT applications developed for Windows TO the
Mac.

This hasn't been true for a long long time.

I disagree. I know people who work for Adobe and they say that the
Mac versions of Adobe apps are merely ports of the Windows code.

This just isn't true. The Mac adobe apps are currently in the process
of being moved to Xcode, a Mac-only development environment. And in
the case of Adobe apps, they have never been ported to the Mac from
the PC versions.

They're already on Xcode. They had to be to make the Intel switch,
which is part of what took Adobe so long.

What Adobe has to do now (and has basically announced, at least with
Photoshop) is move to Cocoa, since Carbon is essentially deprecated at
this point (no new features will be added at it will never move to
64-bit).

In practice what this will probably mean is porting the apps to Adobe's
own internal-use cross-platform framework, already used by Lightroom,
which on OS X is implemented on top of Cocoa.

Adobe does, incidentally, seem to be a clear example of a third-party
developer that declines to take advantage of Mac-specific system-level
functionality because of a preference for maintaining cross-platform
code. Though this might have more to do with the grandiose notion Adobe
has developed in the last few years to the effect that it should be a
platform vendor rather than an application vendor than with any
practical concerns.

[snip]

Only in a very limited way. Open Linking and Embedding is NOT document
centric in execution, and only in a very narrow context in results.

Well, "document centric" is just a buzzword, the end functionality is
very much the same though. The fact that you had to open one of the
OLE apps to start a document is of little concern.

This was, in retrospect, clearly OpenDoc's main problem. Billed as a
whole new model for how computers could work, in practice it was
basically just a way to let people conveniently embed more types of
content in documents. And not more types of content that most people
cared about, because existing office suites already supported the common
cases.

[snip]

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