Re: This Newsgroup Is Now Crap

On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:59:05 -0700, John Slade wrote
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On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:01:37 -0700, John Slade wrote
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On Jul 1, 8:40 am, "John Slade" <hhitma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Jun 30, 2:39 pm, "John Slade" <hhitma...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

There are a few reasons I can see why this newsgroup has turned to
crap. It seems that most posts consist of Zara, Mushman and a few
Maccies
in
purely personal attacks. I don't see much intelligent conversation
here
any
more. When someone decides they want to talk about the Mac's
shortcomings,
it turns personal and vice versa. It's getting to the point that it's
not
worth reading any more.

John
And, you can blame your fellow Windroids, zara (and sundry
sockpuppets) and Muahman.

Did you NOT read before you responded? I can blame those two and a
shitload of Mac users like C Lund, Snit, Chance Furlong, Znu and a few
others who do nothing put engage in silly personal fights.

John

You actually blame Znu? Hell, he is one of the more intelligent
posters here. And, remember, Muahman and zara came here with the
intent of destroying the newsgroup.

I suspect he's probably still steaming over this post:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/59bc4e8589f1e744

Here's a hint, Slade: detailed technical analysis doesn't become "purely
personal attack" just because its results happen to make you look like
an idiot.


Actually I don't even remember that post and as I read it, it was
full
of incorrect information from you. You claimed I said USB 2.0 was just as
fast as FW800. You obviously saw things that were not in my post. The
FACT
is that there are solid state SATA/eSATA devices that are a lot faster
than
their FW800 counterparts. I've proved that eSATA is faster and SATA is
more
widespread than FW800. Firewire is dying, nobody hardly uses it. It's
being
phased out of portable devices and computers.

John



USB3, when it becomes more widespread, might kill-off Firewire, but
SATA/eSATA won't.

FW is just about dead now. I don't see it on a lot of new motherboards
and computers these days. But I do see eSATA ports on the rise. And when USB
3.0 comes out, it will probably blow eSATA away but not SATA. At least not
for a long while.

John, you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Storage transfer is
not the only, or even the primary area where Firewire is king. It's transfer
of large amounts of data from high-definition video and high-resolution
audio. ALL interfaces to Digital Work Stations for audio are via Firewire for
anything approaching 24-bits and 96 KHz for two track, and 24-bits and 48 KHz
for four track and higher. USB 3.0 MIGHT have enough throughput for these
(theoretically it certainly has) but this hasn't been proved yet.

Serial ATA might be fine for hard drives, but for
transferring high-definition video from camera storage media to computer?
No.

Actually it's better because it's faster. Solid state eSATA devices are
running rings around FW and USB. The only real issue is power and that is
being hashed out in newer eSATA versions.

Ridiculous. You think high-definition camcorders are going to have SATA
connectors on them? how long can the cable be between the camera and the
computer? I can see the interface boxes for digital multi-track audio mixers
connected to laptops by SATA cables now! You simply don't know what you are
talking about.

Transferring high-resolution digital audio (DSD, 24/96, 32f/192) from
recorder to the desktop?

It does not matter what kind of data it is. You see when you record
something on your computer's HD, it is basically the same as eSATA, provided
that's the internal HD interface. eSATA is the same exact interface and
method of data transmission. So what you're saying is absolute nonsense.

Not at all. You simply don't understand. The mixer and A/D converter must be
connected to the computer before you can lay these tracks down on the HDD and
granted the HDD doesn't care what the digital data looks like or even what it
represents as long as it's in that computer's disk format. But that's not
what I'm talking about. Again, you act as if storage is the only use for
these technologies. Granted its about all SATA/eSATA are good for, but USB
and to a greater extent (at the moment) Firewire is what is used to do things
like transfer pictures from still cameras to computers (USB 2.0) and transfer
streaming HD video from camcorders to the computer (Firewire) and for
streaming digital audio from the microphone mixer through the A/D converter
and into the computer so that the DAW software can control it and writhe it
to the HDD (almost exclusively via Firewire).

No, again. Until USB3 is widely deployed and >PROVEN
to have the throughput required for these tasks, Firewire is still king.


King in this instance means more widespread.

No, in this case it means the only CURRENTLY deployed technology that can do
the job.


FW is not even the court
jester these days.

You are so ignorant on this subject. best give up while you have a ounce of
dignity left. You haven't the slightest glimmer of an idea of what you are
talking about

It's basically being phased out of video recorders and
computers of any type. But let's say you buy a Mac with no FW on it, and FW
makes a huge comeback. I can go and buy a card and pop it into my PC and it
will have FW. You can't do that with a Mini or iMac.

The only thing that can knock Firewire off of it's pedestal is USB 3.0. And
who says I can't buy a Firewire card and pop it in my Mac?

The "King" right now is USB and SATA. EIDE is being phased out now too.
You guys really don't know much about computers do you?

Apparently I know more than you, because I know that HDD storage is not the
reason why Firewire is important. You don't seem to know that. Your view is
so narrow on this subject that you seem to think that connecting external
storage devices is the only use for interconnection technologies.

.

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