Re: The "Restart" Apple menu option

On Jun 17, 1:54 am, Nashton <n...@xxxxx> wrote:
Steve de Mena wrote:
Steve Carroll wrote:

 Sure, if I exit all the running apps and wait and then
do "Restart" the system restarts.   But if I have apps loaded it never
restarts.

Why do you want to perform a  restart when apps are *running*?

Because I assume it is like Windows, in that when you issue a restart
each App is *requested to exit*.  It doesn't just kill the task/app. In
other words it does the equivalent of going to each open app and quitting.

  If it's
your data you wish to jeopardize you can always hold down the power
button for a bit and hit it again once the machine shuts down. This is
the fastest and easiest way to perform a "restart" that I know of...
if you don't care about losing your data, that is. I suppose you can
pull the plug, replug it and hit the power button again. Why don't you
time these and let us know...

After 15-20 seconds it tells me that Application "x" has
stopped (aborted) the restart.

It assumes (rightfully, IMO) you have forgotten you had apps running
and also assumes you don't want to lose your unsaved data. What a
concept, eh?

But that is not the scenario of the state the apps are in.  What is
happening in Mail that can't be exited?  Nada. Nothing.  iTunes? Nada.
Nothing.  Safari?  I have it configured so it quits without prompting
when I choose the Quit option (The "Confirm before closing multiple tabs
or Windows are open" is unchecked.)

This is not the case of my having Word open and my future great American
Novel document open and unsaved after 10 hours of work.

 I have to then manually exit out of
Application "x" and do the restart again,

It's a feature to prevent users from losing their data. Sort of a
handy thing to have around.

Yeah, if that were my scenario.   Did I ever say I had to go to each app
and SAVE DATA and then exit?  No, it is just apps that can be quit with
no prompts.

and hope that it actually
goes through and that another app won't stop the restart.

Is there a way to make Restart wait longer before restarting, or to
configure it so after "x" seconds of waiting it just forcibly closes
the apps and restarts?

I'm curious... why the pressing need for a 'speed restart' that
jeopardizes unsaved data? There are options for closing apps:

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/automator/closeallopenapplicati....

Just want to run "Restart" and have it do that.

Steve

I only use Windows when I need to connect to a crappy billing web page
that only uses IE (no, Safari can't do it). While there, I run a few
apps (thunderbird, Filemaker Pro, C4D, iTunes etc.) When I hit shut down
or restart, all apps quit immediately and the virtual machine shuts down.
Furthermore, Control-Alt-Delete seems to work no matter how many
applications have "frozen", Explorer included. On the Mac, when you get
that fnording beach ball, S-O-C escape or any KB combination  will not
bring up the force quit window.

I personally detest Winders, but this is an area where more work has
been done and it shows. Besides, I hate the "Are you sure you want to
<insert whatever here>" popups and I wish I could disable them. I don't
like the computer asking me if I'm sure, I was sure when I started the
action.

Another thing that annoys me, is Mac users not willing to admit that the
MacOS has flaws, because it does, even though the flaws in Winders far
outweigh any flaws on the Mac.

I pointed out one program, Groupwise 7, that consistently stops
logging out, shutting down or restarting. I have, on occasion seen
other programs do the same thing. Usually this happens when I get a
spinning beach ball in a program that won't stop, and the program
won't force quit. Many of these problems seem related to network
issues, using Novell Netware (though the client is actually written by
a company called Prosoft Engineering). Indeed, Netware has given me no
end of problems, including kernal panics (which nearly always have
a ...prosoftengineering.kext somewhere in the offending file). And, in
my infrequent use of Windows, I have seen occasions where force
quitting doesn't work, though I am unable to say how frequent they are
because I rarely use the OS (XP Pro).

There! That is my experience. I am neither saying OSX is perfect, nor
am I saying the various flavors of Windows are trash, though I do
clearly prefer OSX.
.

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